Sundown Moguls

[gmcunni]

with a less obnoxious tone- i am in favor of a kicker. not one that comes close to resembling what was on temptor for the comp. more like what was on GB the week after the comp (it was knocked down considerably) or even smaller. just a little pop with a non-flat landing.

 

[gmcunni]

perfect solution. Put the kicker on the section of nor'easter they bump up or put it on the section of exhibition.

i can live with something on the upper section of Noreaster.

i think putting it on exhibtion is an accident waitign to happen... although throughout this thread i kept thinking about the little pop that developed at the end of EX last year as almost exactly what i wanted, just without the flat landing.

 

[2knees]

Are Gunny and Temptor the only true options for bump runs at Sundown?

Nope. the best trail at sundown has been turned into the terrain park the last 3 years. Sullivan and Moss are to blame.....:flame:

seriously though, stinger has the most consistent pitch on the hill and USED to be their bump run.

 

[severine]

perfect solution. Put the kicker on the section of nor'easter they bump up or put it on the section of exhibition.

I agree with Gary that a kicker on the Ex bumps is an accident waiting to happen. They've had enough issues with people cutting in to use the last row or two of bumps as kickers as it is (and I'm guilty of that until I realized that it wasn't a wise idea).

Gary - I liked that pop a lot, but you're right that the flat landing sucked. Still, I hit it quite a few times.

 

[Glenn]

This thread delivers. My Sundown jones just went up an Emeril notch or two....

 

[Greg]

not the point.

Put a kicker on the side and it still forces a major cross cut section where everybody has to avoid the hit. And the hit will take up its own share of bumps in its line. anyway you cut it, whenever there are kickers set up, the lines arent as long or continous.

I'm in complete favor of kickers on bump trails just not in this case. trail is too short. terrain park next door.

Gunny should have at least 4, 2 side by side hits, all spring. O.L., White Heat, True Grit, Slalom Glade, you name it, they should all have them.

+1

Get your air practice in on Stinger at the beginning of the season when there are bumps on it. Aside from burning up mogul potential and changing the characteristics of Temptor, I'm willing to bet a kicker there in December and January will be unskiable at least half the time, if not more. Just not worth it.

Nope. the best trail at sundown has been turned into the terrain park the last 3 years. Sullivan and Moss are to blame.....:flame:

seriously though, stinger has the most consistent pitch on the hill and USED to be their bump run.

Stinger should be a fun run to start on this year. It should be interesting to see if the park rats trash some of the bumps. But actually, I think it's a good opportunity to get some of the kids interested in mogul skiing, especially when they see us radical old dudes ripping them. ill! :lol: Hell, maybe we'll dink around on some the park elements too...

So 2knees - get your pass yet? Or are you just going to hope there's a better mogul option up north? :lol:

 

[bvibert]

You guys are getting pretty worked up about this. Take it easy, it's just bumps. :roll:

I'm gonna advocate for one big kicker across the entire trail. Mandatory air beothes! :lol:

 

[Greg]

Mandatory air beothes! :lol:

For some. Others might just absorb it, or nervously attempt a dumper air...

 

[Grassi21]

i can live with something on the upper section of Noreaster.

i think putting it on exhibtion is an accident waitign to happen... although throughout this thread i kept thinking about the little pop that developed at the end of EX last year as almost exactly what i wanted, just without the flat landing.

i loved that little pop you are talking about on ex. i wasn't catching any real air off it but it was giving me that weightless sensation and had to land with good balance.

 

[gmcunni]

just to keep beating this dead horse.. (where is that emoticon when u need it)...

sounds like most of the NO voters are worried that an air-inducing mound of snow will eliminate or interfere with a primo zip line.

IF that was not the case, IF the air-inducing mound of snow was not interfering, are you still opposed to it?

 

[Greg]

just to keep beating this dead horse.. (where is that emoticon when u need it)...

sounds like most of the NO voters are worried that an air-inducing mound of snow will eliminate or interfere with a primo zip line.

IF that was not the case, IF the air-inducing mound of snow was not interfering, are you still opposed to it?

I guess not. Two decent T2B lines on the steep section of Temptor would satisfy me. Based on past experience though, I'm not sure that would ever happen. Usually only one "good" line sets up as it is - we normally call it the "money line". If the best line happens to set up in line with the jump, you just shortened that money line by 1/3. Like 2knees mentioned earlier, the mere presence of a kicker is going to disrupt much of the width of the trail as most people skirt around it so it's not just the line leading into the kicker that concerns me, but also the ones to the left and right too. Go back and look at Jarrod's video. There are only 6 lines at best, so a single jump reduces the potential for a good T2B line by half.

Now for you folks that typically stop on the run to gather yourselves and ski Temptor in short sections, not a big deal. For ill bumpers like Pat and me that want to link a line all in one shot, it is... :razz:

I still say a jump on an icy bump trail mid-winter is going to usually be too rough to ski and hit with any authority for most of us. I really believe you guys would have more fun hitting a small table or two in the lower flats that they can maintain with a groomer. That's a spot that we usually blow off and straightline on the way back to the lift anyway...

 

[bvibert]

For some. Others might just absorb it, or nervously attempt a dumper air...

Nothing nervous about that mad skill right there.

 

[gmcunni]

For ill bumpers like Pat and me . .

putting yourself in pat's league huh???

I really believe you guys would have more fun hitting a small table or two in the lower flats that they can maintain with a groomer.

got a picture of something like what you're talking about?

 

[Greg]

putting yourself in pat's league huh???

Not necessarily. But we are both in the "I can ski Temptor cleanly" league. I think you are too, Gary.

got a picture of something like what you're talking about?

Borrowed from Sundown's Facebook page. Something like this on a smaller scale:

Or maybe stick a more pitched kicker on top of the table like this, but at like 1/20th the scale:

What would be really cool is if the blew a massive whale on the Temptor flat and built a table with pitched/daily groomed landings all along it and added 2 or 3 different height/pitched kickers. That whale could then be knocked down once Gunny is seeded and used for patchwork at the base or building big booters like the ones pictured above on Stinger.

 

[gmcunni]

Not necessarily. But we are both in the "I can ski Temptor cleanly" league. I think you are too, Gary.

u kno i'm just bustin'

Borrowed from Sundown's Facebook page. Something like this on a smaller scale:

Or maybe stick a more pitched kicker on top of the table like this, but at like 1/20th the scale:

i preliminarly accept the proposal of the "NAY Sayers" but need to confere with my colleagues in the "YES contingent" before we sign anything.

can we get custom writing on the face of the kicker? u should get one of those cardboard templates and we can spray paint alpinezone logos on the thing.

 

[jarrodski]

any feature along the top flat area of temptor by the cliff would not be maintained with a cat... if the snow is at all soft the existing bumps would be flattened. causing angry mogul dudes...

Nor' Easter bumps may be the compromise you're all looking for if that flies with "THE MAN"

the two jumps greg posted are constructed terrain features - - - readily available 100 feet from where you are talking about skiing every single run of your winter....

they require certain risk management considerations...


the "cheese wedge" style jumps are only made for comps and photo shoots

the table top shown in the picture by greg is a nightmare to maintain and would never have been shaped like that if it was in a different spot of the mountain... therefore if we opted for that style jump it would look different.

Greg raises a valid point..................... Dec. and January on temptor is a very winter (firm) trail and there's no good way to put a kicker in the steep with out sacrificing moguls.

 

[o3jeff]

Whats the better trail for the bumps? Temptor or Nor'easter?<newbquestion>

 

[Grassi21]

Whats the better trail for the bumps? Temptor or Nor'easter?<newbquestion>

Temptor has better pitch for it. Thinking back to when they seeded NE, there were a lot more bumps on NE compared to Temptor. Dare I say sacrifice pitch for length of the run?

 

[deadheadskier]

I've always wondered why they don't build mogul comp style jumps in terrain parks. Unlike the regular hits, jut rope off an area to build a 'pop' up jump as opposed to the typical table top. It would definitely need to be roped to slow folks down from hitting it at mach schnell.

 

[Greg]

any feature along the top flat area of temptor by the cliff would not be maintained with a cat... if the snow is at all soft the existing bumps would be flattened. causing angry mogul dudes...

Nor' Easter bumps may be the compromise you're all looking for if that flies with "THE MAN"

the two jumps greg posted are constructed terrain features - - - readily available 100 feet from where you are talking about skiing every single run of your winter....

they require certain risk management considerations...


the "cheese wedge" style jumps are only made for comps and photo shoots

the table top shown in the picture by greg is a nightmare to maintain and would never have been shaped like that if it was in a different spot of the mountain... therefore if we opted for that style jump it would look different.

Greg raises a valid point..................... Dec. and January on temptor is a very winter (firm) trail and there's no good way to put a kicker in the steep with out sacrificing moguls.

I was thinking something on the lower flats of Temptor on the way out towards Exhibition, easily maintainable by a groomer that heads up in there to groom anyway. I also wasn't suggesting anything anywhere near the size of the booters in those pics.

Your point about Stinger having a ton of air options is well taken. A few comments on that:

1 - as we said, many of us don't want to blow off a bump run to hit a few jumps. Totally our own selfish viewpoint, I admit that. There are many times that I plan to hit Stinger or some other run, but I find myself simply heading towards the bumps anyway. It's almost automatic; sort of a mogul tractor beam that pulls us in despite other intentions. It would just be nice to have a run where we could hit moguls and then have one nice kicker to throw down some cheesy old school air. The early bumps on Stinger should be a treat for this reason.

2 - The jumps on Stinger seem to be more of the "out" not "up" variety. Still useful for building nerve and getting comfy in the air, but not quite mogul kicker type practice.

3 - Finally, please look at this as constructive criticism. I'm pretty sure I speak for many when I say we are insanely appreciative of the effort you guys put forth in offering terrain for us mogul nuts, as well as just about every other type of skier out there despite limited acreage.