Tenney Mountain

[doublediamond]

HDPE is the new standard for golf course irrigation. I was making a comment that the pump house is being reworked by a golf irrigation firm. A lot different working on a ”low” pressure system with PVC or HDPE vs hundreds of PSI on a ski area with steel.

 

[Newpylong]

This is the company doing the pumphouse:

Piping - Lake HVAC

www.lakehvac.com

Good luck lol.

 

[thetrailboss]

This is the company doing the pumphouse:

Piping - Lake HVAC

www.lakehvac.com

Good luck lol.

For real?!

 

[IceEidolon]

I see examples of flange bolted metal piping on their "about us". Likewise the golf course irrigation hybrid setup I toured was a three pump automated VFD pump room on a skid, with conventional steel pipe.

It's certainly possible for them to get things wrong, but "provide XYZ psi process water across the entire pump room flow range using VFD control" is not that difficult of an assignment for a company that builds pump stations. I'm more concerned about stuff like intake filters, drains, etc that are for edge cases - not the basic ability to set up a pump for a given pressure, or knowing to spec pipe rated for the pump output pressure.

My previous pump experience was all in-house fabbed and the upgraded control systems were TA, and I'm now working with a local irrigation company and Torrent.

 

[Newpylong]

High pressure 12-stage vertical turbines running at 3600 RPM outputting at 900 PSI is a whole different ballgame than a golf course no matter how you slice it. The designers there don't need to know anything about gravity losses or a pump curve when you're essentially sending water horizontally at what would be considered transfer pump pressure in ski area lingo. But luckily these guys aren't designing anything, they are just installing all the hodge podge shit Tenney bought from Trask that HKD did the design for.

I would be more concerned about it being done in time more than anything. Pump house is gutted and nothing else has started in there yet.

 

[doublediamond]

The golf course I work at is getting a new pump house (1600 gpm) and the contractor has a week to gut and install. I don't think time is an issue.

 

[2planks2coasts]

FB "reel" of new snowmaking:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1888664734948989

 

[Newpylong]

That narrator sounds like Unsolved Mysteries.

 

[Newpylong]

Pumps and motors have arrived.

 

[thetrailboss]

That narrator sounds like Unsolved Mysteries.

I thought it sounded like a bot myself. And I felt as if I have heard them say the same thing before about how everything will be different and yet nothing changes.

 

[machski]

I thought it sounded like a bot myself. And I felt as if I have heard them say the same thing before about how everything will be different and yet nothing changes.

See above^^^^

 

[Hawk]

I have worked with Lake HVAC in the Boston Area in the Past. Considering they have installed some very large steel piping systems for Chiller plants, Cooling towers, pumping stations with tight schedules and really challenging condtions. What makes you think that a snowmaking system would be an issue for them?

 

[AdironRider]

Newpylong isn't exactly non-biased in this realm ultimately.

 

[Newpylong]

I am assuming this is directed at me and it's simple. A high-pressure hydraulic system used only in below freezing conditions (without glycol) that is sending water up large head heights is quite a bit different than their typical project. I did not say they would have "issues" I simply wished them good luck (the reasons above implied). Since they are installing and not designing it likely will be even less of an issue.

 

[Hawk]

Sorry, I assumed you were poo pooing them. Keep in mind that larger comercial companies in the Very competitive Boston market hire only the best management, engineers, mechanics and support. Otherwise they fail to get work. The system might be different but clearly not ever close to the lever of complexity of putting in a whole building system in a 6 story Biotech facility or a high rise. For this project, the pumps are specified, the piping is specified, the controls are specified. All they are doing is sourcing the products, procuring and executing.

Also I can probably assume that Steve Kelly and Eric Paraseau are good friends from doing multiple jobs around Boston. I doubt Lake would let them down. LOL Now that I have said this the whole thing will go to Shit. Right?

 

[Newpylong]

Definitely not sh*tting on them. Yeah they originally were going to use a welder from Lincoln (NH) for the pumphouses but that fell through. Certainly not by coincidence that they reached for an existing relationship in MA, it makes sense. I sure they will do fine, there is plenty of pressure testing that happens before the whole thing will go into service anyway.

Summit Resources is there doing the on-hill work and I am sure Doug would lend a hand where needed as well. He is the best of the best.

 

[thetrailboss]

 

[2planks2coasts]

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Yep. A whole $60 on weekdays now. SMDH

 

[thetrailboss]

Yep. A whole $60 on weekdays now. SMDH

I doubt that there are many major ski areas that are $60 for a weekday.....

 

[2planks2coasts]

I doubt that there are many major ski areas that are $60 for a weekday.....

Exactly. Or $75 for a weekend. If they really need a fast chair though to have a good day skiing for $60, they should really just go elsewhere.