Keep saying that. It applies to your position on how things are going with Sugarbush. Enjoy your new Magic Carpet while Deer Valley breaks in 8 new chairlifts this season.
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The ALTERRA SUCKS Thread
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Smellytele
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Wasn’t it discussed that Alterra isn’t being subsidized by the developer?
Nobody here knows for sure who is paying for what at Mayflower. I have asked folks to show us that information and there has been nothing to date.
But I can also point to other Alterra areas that are getting more capital investment--Steamboat, Winter Park, Palisades, Stratton. Not to mention the acquisitions of Schweitzer and A-Basin.
I am very skeptical of Alterra. I always have been. I just think that a lot of Sugarbush locals were overly optimistic about the change in ownership to Alterra. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical and asking questions about what is really going on. And again, I loved my time at Sugarbush and want nothing more than for it to do well.
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Dude, you need to accept that it is a combination of factors and not just Ikon. You can't discount that over 100k people have moved to the SLC area as a complete non-factor as if none of them ski. Go ski Sundance if the crowds are that bad.
Vail, Alterra, crowds, doesn't matter you got a gripe. Even when Alterra makes improvements, including the largest terrain expansion to happen in the US ski industry ever, its not enough.
Vail, Alterra, crowds, doesn't matter you got a gripe. Even when Alterra makes improvements, including the largest terrain expansion to happen in the US ski industry ever, its not enough.
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We don't allow trolling. Or your reading comprehension skills are lacking. Why do I say that? Because I've already conceded that years ago. Go back to your hole.
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Anytime you lose an argument you call it trolling. Population gains are literally being debated today in this thread you just don’t like it because makes you look bad.
Nice try. I recommend reading somone's posts before commenting. It makes you look as smart as you claim to be.
https://vermontbiz.com/news/2025/june/06/vermonts-ski-areas-boast-growth-416-skier-visits-2024-25
Didn‘t notice because it’s well known recent numbers are similar.
You have no evidence Alterra funded any of the Deer Valley expansion (and you admit in a subsequent post that no one knows definitively who paid for it). So until you have evidence they DID pay for it, this is a poor argument and you should stop bringing it up..
I never expected Alterra to change things overnight. We already have a new HG lift (which Win himself said he would not have been able to fund at the price it ended up costing). We also have millions invested in snow-making infrastructure improvements (which you also continue to ignore). So we're already ahead of the game. I'm a realist/pragmatist. I don't expect miracles. I do however expect better communication on what the long term master plan is from John H. I don't have a lot of faith in local leadership at the moment. That's my biggest gripe for now. And proper communication costs nothing.
80's ( when I started at K-Mart) was great - even with heavy, wet, 'white water' manmade snow. I recall lots of lines and HSQ were just starting- but like vacations where you recall the great without the rain- 80's rocked. I wonder how many ski areas were around then? Skied Haystack and recall riding by Roundtop, Maple Valley, and Mt Snow had that chair that sat on snow in the woods- not above ground. I even rode the Cranmore Skimobile with the Cali guy who taught me how to ski laughing and cursing all the way to the 'top' on that thing.
'80-'81 had an almost 50% jump, then 30% up '82 ( year I started) then 25% drop '83- I remember that well, no friggen snow.
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It’s totally F-d the ski experience at the most popular areas. Corporate conglomerate ski passes are terrible for skiing.
I was a die hard ski bum for years and now I don’t want anything to do with most major ski resorts.
My last home ski area AZ Snowbowl/MCP is ruined for us older local skiers. The new generations don’t know the difference and it’s extremely successful but I’m not going to spend my free time battling traffic to be there to then ski on ridiculously dangerous and crowded ski runs and mostly stand in lines all day. There’s so many people on skiing at once that I can’t even get a real turn in and I’m constantly on guard. That’s just not fun imho. I don’t see any value in that and I’d rather go do other outdoor activities where I don’t really see anyone else.
I’m very thankful I got to ski bum in the 90’s and early 2000’s. I feel fully content and satisfied.
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