The Elephant in the Room

[JimmyPete]

Global Warming ? Not political, but is this year's lousy snow and warm an anomaly or trend, what do you think.

 

[2knees]

this bad larry is doomed.

DOOMED.

 

[bobbutts]

If you blame it for this, you have to give it credit for the last few epic years too

 

[WJenness]

It's an anomaly.

You can't prove anything with a year's worth of data.

Full.Stop.

-w

 

[snoseek]

Other parts of the world are having very very cold and snowy winters.

This yer sucks for many but not all

 

[zakyr]

Im no weather expert by any means,

But I believe I have read from a few sources that this winter has nothing to do with Global Warming

 

[SIKSKIER]

Tell that to the rest of the world thats experiencing a brutal winter.

 

[gmcunni]

Im no weather expert by any means,

But I believe I have read from a few sources that this winter has nothing to do with Global Warming

did george bush tell you that?

 

[snoseek]

Tell that to the rest of the world thats experiencing a brutal winter.

yeah agree. If you're going to look at global warming you need to look at global data...


I read somewhere online a year in the sixties that the loaf had a ridiculously low snow winter. like fifty inches. I remember a bad year when I was a kid in the early 80's. It was awful at Cannon that year, they didn't ski off the top till feb or march.

We all need a weather pattern shift badly, not sure it will happen before spring or not, I let you know in july however:razz:


Sierras has been just awful this year. I'm still out every day but its truly a historically bad year here.

 

[SIKSKIER]

I. I remember a bad year when I was a kid in the early 80's. It was awful at Cannon that year, they didn't ski off the top till feb or march.

!979-80.I remember in late January only open to the mid station on the old "Hong Kong" chair(called the new Peabody Chair with the plastic red white and blue chairs).

 

[Highway Star]

.....what do you think.

I think you have the long term memory of a squirrel.

 

[2knees]

18 mile crack in the antarctic ice sheet is far more telling then the miniscule sample size of our lack of winter

 

[Gnarlybarley]

Theres been quiet a bit of snow in Austria and the rest of centrally, its even more cold then usual!

 

[hammer]

18 mile crack in the antarctic ice sheet is far more telling then the miniscule sample size of our lack of winter

This.

May not be happy about the lack of winter but I'm not going to pin it on climate change just yet.

 

[JimmyPete]

I agree

This.

May not be happy about the lack of winter but I'm not going to pin it on climate change just yet.

Yet I do wonder if at the margins GW doesn't have some effect. I do remember one early 90's year when there was almost nothing in Vt. up to Prez, weekend, but I also remember the late 60's when the Cats seemed like Vermont and Vermont seemed like Alaska.

 

[oakapple]

It's an anomaly.

You can't prove anything with a year's worth of data.

True, but we have much more than a full year. In the last 50 years, Vermont winters have become, on average, about 4.5 degrees warmer. That may not seem like much, but at the margins, it translates into a lot of snowfall that becomes r@infall instead.

Of course, over those 50 years there is considerable annual fluctuation, but the trend is irrefutable. Details here.

 

[Glenn]

Last year was awesome, this year stinks. It's weather patterns...not cow farts. Although, those probably sounds pretty damn funny.

 

[thetrailboss]

Last year when we had a ton of snow folks who complained were saying that it was global warming.

This year when there is little snow, the other folks who are complaining are saying that it is global warming.

So yes, it must be global warming. :wink:

 

[hammer]

Yet I do wonder if at the margins GW doesn't have some effect. I do remember one early 90's year when there was almost nothing in Vt. up to Prez, weekend, but I also remember the late 60's when the Cats seemed like Vermont and Vermont seemed like Alaska.

I'd guess that on the whole you may be correct...problem is that every time we have warmer than average weather everyone wants to blame it on climate change, and more specifically, on greenhouse gas levels that we have increased.

I'm not saying that climate change isn't happening or that humans don't have anything to do with it...I just don't like it when one season (or one week) of temperature data are thrown out there to support those claims.

 

[wa-loaf]

Global Warming = greater extremes in weather. The cause of it is up for debate, but it seems pretty clear the climate is changing some. What we experience in our little corner of the world really has no bearing on proving or disproving Climate Change.