ThinkSnow
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Agreed.
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The "Sugarbush Thread"
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Yes. That's it. I remember skiing it the last year I was in college and then coming back in 2005 or so to find it dramatically different. Right below the birch glades they widened it.
As to terrain control, it is frustrating to see Inverness and Brambles closed so often. But if folks want some perspective, go to Burke now on a midweek day and you will routinely find multiple trails roped off with BMA gates set up and NOBODY training.
Exactly. The issue is, IIRC, that GMVS has their own lodge and guest programs use the main lodge as their base. As to lodge and skiing etiquette, the entitlement of the race crowd create a lot of issues. I will say that only in Vermont did I see lots of ski racers through bags and gear around and leaving a mess. At Snowbird I see some of that on race days, but not nearly the same level.
Don't see an issue? Really? I've never had my skis moved from a rack or pushed over in my many years of skiing.
This. No one should have to attempt to walk around/through a ski minefield in front of any lodge.
If there's a bike rack in front of a store, is it ok to instead of using the rack simply leave your bike on the sidewalk in front of the store? It really is the same concept.
Exactly.
It kinda depends where on the ground people leave there shit, if it is in a clearly stupid spot then I have no probblem kicking some poles out of the way, even if they do end up 20 feet away from the skis that happen to go the other way. When the person comes back and has to spend a few minutes finding their shit, then lets hope they learned a lesson on where to leave their shit.
SkiingInABlueDream
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Not quite an apple to apples comparison, but interesting anyway.
If ppl left bikes out like skis there'd be a lot more stolen bikes. Maybe we need to encourage ski theft![emoji23]
benski
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At mount Ellen by 12 there are skis all over the place behind the lodge. It’s a huge mess and the racks are only half full.
The disrespect shown by racers really should be policed by their coaches. It's a big problem at Attitash as well. If I were a coach the rules would be pretty simple. Act like a slob and you forfeit your bib and can watch the race for the day.
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I 100% agree that ski clutter is annoying, but I also find this comment amusing because recently (just this year!) in cities (like the Boston area), bike-share companies such as Limebike have a business model where you can leave the rental bike anywhere (sidewalk, street, lawn, it doesn't matter). Numerous people have complained about these bikes cluttering up their front yards. Some people even are throwing them in the Charles River!
It's basically just like the ski-clutter of racers in front of lodges, just throughout these metro areas!
BenedictGomez
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Oh, this topic again. There's a special place in hell for people who just dump their skis on the ground (or parents who dont teach their kids proper respect).
I will say, however, occasionally (RARELY) the ski area is at fault; for instance, this year at Jay Peak towards the end of the season they pulled a ton of racks, and on a busy Saturday there genuinely was nowhere to put your skis. So people laid them all over the rock wall, against the exterior, all over the ground, etc...
BenedictGomez
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Where ISN'T it a "big problem" when racer kids descend upon a property?
I've noticed this for years, but I've never understood it from a sociological perspective.
1) Are racer kids simply raised more entitled to do whatever they want, with no control or accountability?
2) Are racer kids statistically significantly more likely to have bad parents?
3) Did it evolve culturally that racer kids can toss their crap anywhere they want (seems unlikely)?
I. Dont. Get. It.
But the "racer crap tossed everywhere", occurrence is undeniably real.
The one argument I've heard in support of the 11 year old wanna be next Bode Miller or Lindsey Vonn is that leaving the skis on the ground is somehow better for the base/wax of the skis. If this is true for junior to shave an additional .0001 seconds off their race time, then it should fall on the mountain to fence off a nice little area for the racers.
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machski
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There may be some truth to this, especially on a warmer day. To keep the bases at the snowpack temp. But what about the lift ride up if not a surface lift?
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Well then it seems racers should be banned from the chairs and only allowed to ride surface lifts in the name of getting the best time!
Smellytele
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I think that the "Benign Neglect" shown by ski resorts towards this minefield of equipment that the average skier must negotiate to get to the lodge will inevitably end when some poor soul will trip, fall, and get seriously hurt, and then sue the ski area.
Not the same, but similar is the stroller problem in Disney World. Parents would just leave them anywhere, leading to clogged up pathways and entrances. This was addressed by creating roped off corrals for stroller parking, and a worker posted outside to direct people where to park the strollers, and to move the ones left by those who choose to think the rules don't apply to them.
Not the same, but similar is the stroller problem in Disney World. Parents would just leave them anywhere, leading to clogged up pathways and entrances. This was addressed by creating roped off corrals for stroller parking, and a worker posted outside to direct people where to park the strollers, and to move the ones left by those who choose to think the rules don't apply to them.
BenedictGomez
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Completely negates the "some truth" mentioned prior.
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