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The "Sugarbush Thread"
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ss20
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lol nope. But been over the road plenty. I'm ASSuming it's local opposition as people don't want a small increase of cars on that road from additional ski traffic as a trade-off for having a safe and passable road 365 days a year (save heavy snows of course).
cost of installing and maintaining a paved (State-funded) road vs. rural (character) unpaved route must certainly be a factor. I don't live uber-locally, but in Chittenden County, often taking the App Gap (paved but never smooth) #17 to SB. A major investment, with a most-certain increase in traffic if paved.
dblskifanatic
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That road gets really muddy on one side and has good pitch on the other and when it freezes it is a mess. Had to straddle a snow bank to get down due to freezing rain. It was a nail biter! Cars off the road everywhere and you hoped that you were not going to hit them or join them.
ducky
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Paved roads on higher elevation steep slopes last about 3-5 years. Dirt roads easier to maintain. Also, the road falls within two towns' designations (not state).
ss20
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I don't take the Gap unless it's been below freezing for a week, hasn't snowed at all for a few days, and there's blue sky with no chance of precip. Heck I took it once this year and at the bottom of the dirt section the temp had gotten into the mid-30s with sun and it was already super muddy and rutted up.
ss20
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Ah thank you. Did not realize it was not a state road. I could see how a municipality would have a tough time getting the funds to pave that road. I'm sure it would also need some structural improvements to the sides as well.
ducky's answer makes sense. I always sort of wondered myself and just figured it was a combination of cost and paving not holding up well to all the freeze/thaws and heaving it would experience in that area. I think I've only gone all the way over that road once (in the summer or fall). I'm coming from the western side of the greens when I drive up from NJ, so I have no reason to ever be on Roxbury gap road.
I've often wondered about this as I careened from frost heave to pothole on route 100. seems to me there hasnt been much progress in road construction tech since the days of the horse and buggy or the romans for that matter.
That being said, I have about 100 yards of dirt road to get to my driveway at home in westchester. The town has to do maintenance about 3-4 times a year on it. While I understand paving is expensive, constantly having to repair adds up to.
Boxtop Willie
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Skied 10 to 1. Tale of two seasons. Practically mid winter at 10. Cold, windy as hell, HG/NL on wind hold. Fresh windblown 1-2". If waxed right, very nice "cream" on top of groomed. Exposed trails that were groomed early (Spring Fling) had a wind blown crust on top with fresh in the troughs. Upper Birdland was run of the day.
Then the sun came out, wind lessened (a bit) and all the groomers became excellent. Even though temps never got over 35, sun softened up the surface and everything improved. If it weren't for a work call at 2, I would have skied all day.
Then the sun came out, wind lessened (a bit) and all the groomers became excellent. Even though temps never got over 35, sun softened up the surface and everything improved. If it weren't for a work call at 2, I would have skied all day.
KustyTheKlown
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im cautiously optimistic for friday to sunday. tho i am not sure yet if i have sights set on northern vermont or western maine
ss20
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The further west you go the better the snow with this system. ADK's have the best shot at 6"+, then northern VT. Very questionable for western Maine right now. Still a good amount of base left- I was doing some trees at SL over the weekend. Saddleback tomorrow!
NoVT looking like its going to get more snow.
kingslug
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We...shall see......
Zand
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As far as New England goes... Wouldnt count out a Jay jackpot in this one.
Whiteface might do the best overall though.
Whiteface might do the best overall though.
KustyTheKlown
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yea i just booked a room in stowe for thurs-fri nights and will ski jay fri and bush sat. then rutland hotel sat, killignton or stratton sun.
may be last hurrah, tho id like to hump out one more k weekend.
Smellytele
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Planning on Jay for Saturday.
ducky
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The frost line around here is 60”, more at elevation. If you are building a house, this is how deep your footings must be. Highways are built with this much base stone to avoid heaving. Expensive process. Look at 17. Gets repaved all the time and it’s currently like a mogul run.
Zand
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I already told the wife that if Jay gets a foot then I'm not celebrating Easter this year lol.
It's killed me not going to Vermont this year (especially in mid January when they got crushed and NH got nothing). Glad Jay might give me a chance for one good Vermont day this year now that I'm good.
Is there an attestation form for the Indy Pass like they had for the Ikon pass? Haven't really paid attention.
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