MadPadraic
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Hmm, perhaps it is a snow report thing? It never seems to be on the report, but as previously discussed the report is sometimes incorrect on specific trails.
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The "Sugarbush Thread"
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It has been done the same way for years. We historically groomed it occasionally to set it up for new snow or snow making. The idea is to have variety over there. A groomed alternative along with mogul trails. Sugarbush has historical groomed 45-55 trails and let the others ski naturally.
That wouldn't surprise me. I know I saw it listed as groomed on the report a bunch of times, but there also could have been days it was groomed and not listed on the report. There were definitely some accuracy issues with the report this year and a bit of a lack of attention to detail.
Yea...Birch and Sunrise both groomed regularly would get a bit boring over there.
MadPadraic
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I'm gonna disagree strongly here: first off Morningstar is never groomed. Second Birch and Sunrise are not substitutes for one another: they ride very differently even if both are groomed. Third, do you find CastleRock boring even if all of their trails are treated similarly? Fourth, you aren't restricted to just that lift. Finally, there is a wee bit of other terrain available from North Lynx (just saying).
Hawk
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That trail used to be never groomed. Maybe John Hamond and crew have my view. Anyway your not going to get an anwser here just speculation.
ducky
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I often use Sunrise to teach intro to bumps.
MadPadraic
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That's kind of the point of this entire thread!
Morning Star was groomed this year.
I don't find CR a good comparison to North Lynx. CR is designated as an "experts only" pod and is unique. Those trails are all so vastly different from one another. Although I will say if they regularly groomed both CR Run and Middle Earth, then yes I think that would be boring. North Lynx meanwhile has something for everyone so variety for numerous ability levels makes sense there. There's only 3 trails (assuming you want to stay within the lift-serviced pod), and I don't think 2 groomed regularly makes much sense. I think the way they've handled Sunrise for a number of years (including this one) is perfect. I skied it both groomed and bumped up this year. Enjoyed it every time and appreciate that it wasn't always one or the other.
Sort of...it was only the last 3 or 4 towers at the bottom that they groomed once that I recall. Not sure that counts.
Hawk
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Yup
But Morningstar is different because it has no snowmaking and is really narrow. It's pretty hard to groom. Only the bottom half.
There are those that like Groomers and there are those that do not. To each thier own I guess. Just don't groom the trails I like to ski. HA
But Morningstar is different because it has no snowmaking and is really narrow. It's pretty hard to groom. Only the bottom half.
There are those that like Groomers and there are those that do not. To each thier own I guess. Just don't groom the trails I like to ski. HA
If we want to talk about trails being treated differently than in the past...then I think Birdland would be the prime example. That used to be groomed almost every other night (and typically every day on a weekend). This year (and maybe the past year or two as well), they really started to let it turn into a bump run the majority of the time. That one I have more mixed feelings about.
Shredmonkey254
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I will say it again while typing with one hand - groomers are dangerous! Birdland should be bumped up, it's under the chair and a great place to show off your chops, that's what trails are for underneath chairs. Who wants to watch anyone ski a freaking groomer! Yawn...
Hawk
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So this weekend is going to be a good one. Pond skimming, The grift in the courtyard, good weather. I'm not missing this one.
Definitely prefer sunrise mostly ungroomed and birch groomed for variety. Allows groups with different abilities or desires to ski it "together". Morningstar is a different beast, narrow, all natural, not open as often.
Hawk - don't jinx us. Hereby putting the reverse jinx on.
Hawk - don't jinx us. Hereby putting the reverse jinx on.
Hawk
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Right. Strike That, reverse it. Thank you.
MadPadraic
Active member
Blue groomers are especially dangerous. Both you and I obtained the same injury on BLUE groomers (mine was at Breck). My broken wrist also came on a blue "groomer" (Middle Cannon). I can't recall seeing a serious injury on a steep groomer as people do more to control their speed and are more conscientious of those around them.
MadPadraic
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I contend that Sunrise and Birch are already at quite different ability levels and ride very differently. Also, Birch usually has bumps to skiers left. Morningstar adds a lot of variety when it is open.
It's funny, you can see where our own biases and assumptions fit in here. I don't really think of North Lynx as a core lift, but more a "hiding in plane sight" non-secret. I would prefer more trails be groomed out when the mountain is close to 100% open as there area already tons of bumps trails available. Until a few years ago, I always viewed steep groomers are more challenging than mogul runs, but that has changed somewhat of late.
I do view Sunrise as a pretty unique trail at SB: it has a good length of black steepness (unlike, say, sleeper chutes or waterfall), isn't under the lift (unlike Ripcord, Waterfall or the cliffs), doesn't get bad crowds, and gets good sun.
KustyTheKlown
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^^A very rare instance where I would have been in favor of lowering the bubble!
soft. fuck bubbles.
It is interesting how different our perceptions are. I always considered the steeper part of Sunrise pretty short. Not quite as short as Sleeper chutes, but also really not too much longer than that. I just did some very rough calculations using my GPS tracks and it seems like the steep section of Sunrise is only maybe 200' longer than the steep headwall of Sleeper Chutes.
Also I wouldn't consider North Lynx a "core" lift either, but I do think it has a fairly decent appeal to a lot of people skiing on the Gate House side. The limited terrain choices and shorter length just mean very few people are likely to spend a considerable length of time lapping it. I rarely ski more than 3 or 4 runs off that lift on any given day. But you probably get a good number of "different" people skiing that pod on any given day.
Also interesting how opposite we are in terms of preferences. When the mountain is 100% open and in mid-winter form, that's exactly the time when I want more terrain bumped up as soft, packed powder bumps are more fun to ski. When less terrain is open, that also means conditions typically aren't great. So then I don't care if more trails are groomed because icy, firm bumps are not exactly fun anyway.
If snow is good enough to leave alone, it’s best when left alone.
How do people ever improve if they just ski courd?
Understand resort needs to keep 3 or 4 basic group’s happy, and experts ( or those who believe their experts) make up 10-20% of market- but bet they spend 40-50% of dollars ( kids in Blazers, Moms on cruisers-) apologies to ABC and the like, friends brought up who are then left on trails whilst these so-called-‘sperts’ head for un-named tree runs or Slidebrook( hey, those ‘blue courd friends are also good for a pickup at German Flats too-)
Man, Castlerock keeps most of those folks away.
Just that place alone- w nod to MRG- should be an enough to keep us- I mean those! Self-centered it’s all about me and my turns-crowd.
Where else does this variety exist at this quality?
Glad we have the MRV. Special place.
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