TSA scans and searches

[drjeff]

In security - one of the first things you need to do to breach a system is find out whats being used to protect it... Many of my customers did not want anyone to know what they were doing,,,

Therefore shouldn't an organization that's trying to protect someone/something be regularly changing up their security protocols to eliminate the "norm" for a would be attacker???

 

[Geoff]

Therefore shouldn't an organization that's trying to protect someone/something be regularly changing up their security protocols to eliminate the "norm" for a would be attacker???

Yeah, but when you have 90 IQ TSA employees, that's just not possible.

The screening I've been through coming and going to Israel is amazing. I've had easier job interviews. The average TSA dolt couldn't handle it.

The way I look at it, the terrorists have won.

 

[dmc]

Yup. All too quickly people stop thinking and start reacting. When emotion enters the equation, that's when a topic can get out of hand quickly.

All too quickly??!?!? Dude - as I've said - I've been flying nonstop since 911.. I've put up with a ton of stuff... I've been very patient through this whole thing... I've supported all efforts - except maybe the shoes... I've gladly had my stuff search and have been patted down..

I just don't want to walk into something that bombards me with radiation and creates an image of my naked body.. Even your techs wear a vest when they take xrays of people mouths.. Radiation isn't good... And yes - i know that i get radiated when i fly - why add more?

 

[dmc]

Therefore shouldn't an organization that's trying to protect someone/something be regularly changing up their security protocols to eliminate the "norm" for a would be attacker???

maybe they do.. maybe they don't... these things don't come cheap.

Regular rotation of encryption keys is a way to protect data.. Internal threats are the most common. Keeping the operational people out of data(separation of duties) is the key.

 

[dmc]

Yeah, but when you have 90 IQ TSA employees, that's just not possible.

The screening I've been through coming and going to Israel is amazing. I've had easier job interviews. The average TSA dolt couldn't handle it.

The way I look at it, the terrorists have won.

Israel got it right.. just get there early and your OK.. My company wouldn't let me go after i went to Dubai and had Arabic on my passport... Apparently they get reall nervous about that..

A couple of my friends got GRILLED coming into Dubai..
They are smokers and hadn't had a butt in 20 hours... they appeared nervous and got the crap questioned out of them.. One of my friends was questioned about his CD's - they don't allow porn DVDs there..

 

[o3jeff]

 

[dmc]

yup... That was me...
I never thought I'd have some dude on his knees in front of my crotch...

 

[BeanoNYC]

It's all smoke and mirrors. I plan on taking viagra the next time I fly.

 

[mlctvt]

I plan on taking viagra the next time I fly.

LOL, I'm laughing so hard I can't breath.

I think you should opt out then moan a little during the pat down. TSA guy would probably get away from you real quick, unless he likes that kind of thing. :smile:

 

[RootDKJ]

TSA is a bunch of thieves. At least out of Newark they are.

 

[mondeo]

All too quickly??!?!? Dude - as I've said - I've been flying nonstop since 911.. I've put up with a ton of stuff... I've been very patient through this whole thing... I've supported all efforts - except maybe the shoes... I've gladly had my stuff search and have been patted down..

I just don't want to walk into something that bombards me with radiation and creates an image of my naked body.. Even your techs wear a vest when they take xrays of people mouths.. Radiation isn't good... And yes - i know that i get radiated when i fly - why add more?

If people had reacted to the earlier, more invasive measures, it would be a different story. If people had a more measured response, it would be a different story. But no, the shoes may have been sort of grumbled about (and has done much more to delay the process than any of the scans - I can't remember the last time I didn't have to wait a minute or two for my stuff to come through the X-ray. That's the bottleneck,) but everyone pretty much just gave in. And now, instead of having a rational discussion, people just flip out and start crying bloddy murder over some images that anyone can create in their brains anyways, and anyone good with photoshop could probably give people a tough time figuring out which was the scan and which was the fake. It simply isn't that detailed.

Comparing these machines to medical X-rays is ridiculous. Those have to have enough power to pass significant amounts of radiation through someone, these bounce tiny amounts off someone. It's a completely different mechanism.

 

[Hawkshot99]

It's all smoke and mirrors. I plan on taking viagra the next time I fly.

The female accountant at work said next time she flies she is strapping a cucumber to her leg and choosing the pat down.

 

[jaja111]

The female accountant at work said next time she flies she is strapping a cucumber to her leg and choosing the pat down.

Too bad she'll face $10,000 in fines, possible litigation, and be escorted from the airport. A more creative prosecutorial route could include criminal charges. I've seen such ramifications have been discussed on other forums regarding the possibility of someone stripping nude when they go to remove their shoes for scan.

I totally disagree with this being an effective countermeasure, mitigation, or deterrent to terrorism. It has only succeeded in the fundamental basis of the goals of terrorism - to create terror. People's spouses, children, persons who have the mental scars of past sexual molestation, individuals with medical issues or devices affixed to them, etc. - all being terrorized. I could give a crap if I am seen nude, but do give a crap at unnecessary exposure to radiation (deemed safe now, but remember "fluoroscopes" used at shoe stores long ago? Radium laced paint was considered safe for people painting watch faces in the past too). Giving up our freedoms for the sake of so called security is the slippery slope to the end. What happens next, when an 18 year old poor bastard from nowhere land fervently joins the jihadist cause and is convinced to board an international flight with a detonator and 3 pounds of plastic explosives within his rectal cavity and colon? What happens then? We now something in the name of "security" will surely happen.

On a side note, I do not find it surprising that OSI Systems Inc. (makers of Rapiscan ("Rape - i - scan") full body scanners) has only gone to $35.22 per share since Christmas ball bomber's incident price of $22.02/share. If the public outcry and Congress's feel good rhetoric has any effect to stop scanning, I see a huge shortsell on OSI in my future!

 

[billski]

I totally disagree with this being an effective countermeasure, mitigation, or deterrent to terrorism. It has only succeeded in the fundamental basis of the goals of terrorism - to create terror.

As well as diverting resources and time from more productive pursuits, further impairing our competitive advantage as a nation.

 

[ERJ-145CA]

It's just security theater that's supposed to make the general public feel safe. There are plenty of airport workers in the secure area who don't go through security, which could be an issue.

Also I'm not going to go through a scanner, I get 6 to 8 hours of radiation per workday already so I'm not going to add to that. There's no reason to subject pilots to the scanners or the "enhanced" pat downs, I have control of the plane and there is an ax in the cockpit, so it just seems pointless to me. Not to mention that I've had a background check.

Also Michael Chertoff, former Homeland Security chief, owns the security consulting company Chertoff Group. Rapiscan Systems (makers of one of the two body scanners) is one of his clients. Seems like a conflict of interest to me and probably one of the reasons that the machines were rolled out so fast.

 

[dmc]

IThere's no reason to subject pilots to the scanners or the "enhanced" pat downs, I have control of the plane and there is an ax in the cockpit, so it just seems pointless to me. Not to mention that I've had a background check.

Well - if a pilot wanted a weapon - he already has his hands on a huge weapon.. A plane..

I think frequent travelers should have the option to get a background check and be able t go through a basic check to avoid any radiation - however low - from the scanners.

 

[dmc]

As well as diverting resources and time from more productive pursuits, further impairing our competitive advantage as a nation.

Or looking for bombs in cargo holds...

 

[Puck it]

Well - if a pilot wanted a weapon - he already has his hands on a huge weapon.. A plane..

I think frequent travelers should have the option to get a background check and be able t go through a basic check to avoid any radiation - however low - from the scanners.

I would gladly pay for a security check on my family and I to bypass this BS. They never followed through with this.

 

[billski]

This new pat down procedure has really gone over the line. It's not the macho men I worry about here. I was listening to a radio show last night where dozens of people called in. Women who experience the new pat-down expressed opinions from "great humiliation" to "groping" to "near rape." An elderly woman was so scared she was crying. Little children are very upset. MSNBC reports a breast cancer survivor had to remove her prosthesis in front of everyone. Sheer embarrassment. The fact is, for many, this is a very traumatic event, which has been called by many unnecessary and redundant.

 

[Geoff]

I think frequent travelers should have the option to get a background check and be able t go through a basic check to avoid any radiation - however low - from the scanners.

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