Uphill policies

[Abubob]

It was two women lol. It really was dangerous - you go pretty fast over a rise - they're lucky I use SL skis and can turn in a dime. i just don't get why the "had" to be there. I saw them later at top of mountain having a snack, they couldn't see me giving the stink eye through my goggles lol. I could have really hurt myself.

I feel your pain SkiFan. I can well envision coming over a rise, carrying speed, catching a little air just as you notice there's someone directly in your path. I think the flag is a good idea plus I'll keep my eyes uphill to be sure you (or anyone else) aren't bearing down on me.

 

[Jonathan S.]

So if that person below the blind rise is not me skinning up while training for my rando race series, but instead, say ... my five-year-old daughter having fallen down, then what?
(Or substitute an all-too-typical snowboarder sitting down with no line of sight.)
And how do you explain all this to me if I then show up, whether in my role as her father or as a ski patroller?
(BTW, having previously also been an NCAA alpine race coach, I am impressed by the sense of entitlement here for fast skiing.)

 

[Abubob]

So if that person below the blind rise is not me skinning up while training for my rando race series, but instead, say ... my five-year-old daughter having fallen down, then what?
(Or substitute an all-too-typical snowboarder sitting down with no line of sight.)
And how do you explain all this to me if I then show up, whether in my role as her father or as a ski patroller?
(BTW, having previously also been an NCAA alpine race coach, I am impressed by the sense of entitlement here for fast skiing.)

Well, if a snowboarder or for that matter anyone is just hanging out below a blind rise they're an idiot. But a fallen skier no matter what age is a different matter. If it's your daughter, son, whatever and you can't move her cross your skis upslope. If the blind rise is too far a hike then it's possible it's a nonissue but put up the crossed skis anywhere upslope to warn other skiers. It reminds me of when I was taking driving lessons when I was in high school. The question was "Which is more important - being able to see - or being seen?"

 

[bigbog]

I do have a small pack/stick/flag -thing...but most often my orange helmet is enough for inbounds on wkends.

 

[Not Sure]

So if that person below the blind rise is not me skinning up while training for my rando race series, but instead, say ... my five-year-old daughter having fallen down, then what?
(Or substitute an all-too-typical snowboarder sitting down with no line of sight.)
And how do you explain all this to me if I then show up, whether in my role as her father or as a ski patroller?
(BTW, having previously also been an NCAA alpine race coach, I am impressed by the sense of entitlement here for fast skiing.)

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Fast over a blind rise is asking for trouble . I'm amazed at the lack of concern for safety with younger people , me and my buddies would have a spotter when hitting big stuff.
A couple years ago I was with #2 kid at Blue and in a rare mood to air out . Kids standing on top if jump and I yell clear , he says come on . Punk next to me yells drop in and starts the same time I do and starts F ing me out .
How he thought anyone would hear him 200' away and out of sight is beyond me.

There's a lot more blind spots than there used to be . If your skinning do it on the very outside edge or in the woods.

 

[AdironRider]

The problem with uphill skinners at ski resorts is they are by and large "look at me" assholes. They just want people to know how core they are.

If you want to skin great, but at an operating ski resort? Seems to defeat the entire point.

 

[joshua segal]

The problem with uphill skinners at ski resorts is they are by and large "look at me" assholes. They just want people to know how core they are.

If you want to skin great, but at an operating ski resort? Seems to defeat the entire point.

Most of the "skinners" at my home hill are season pass holders, so there is no an issue of revenue to the hill. What you have to remember, is that the combination of grooming and snowmaking make a lift-serviced hill an attractive location for some skinning on days that back country might be quite unpleasant.

 

[Scruffy]

The problem with uphill skinners at ski resorts is they are by and large "look at me" assholes. They just want people to know how core they are.

If you want to skin great, but at an operating ski resort? Seems to defeat the entire point.

There is a whole new breed of resort skinners that do it for a quick cardio workout while doing something they love. Skinning in the back country takes longer ( breaking trail and switch backing ), also avy danger needs to be assessed. The ones you're seeing are probably not all that "core", the real core ones skin at predawn and ski out at dawn.

 

[Jonathan S.]

Well, if a snowboarder or for that matter anyone is just hanging out below a blind rise they're an idiot.

Probably not a good lead to use when my fellow ski patrollers arrive on the accident scene.
(Or when you're deposed as a defendant in the subsequent civil damages litigation.)

It reminds me of when I was taking driving lessons when I was in high school. The question was "Which is more important - being able to see - or being seen?"

I don't see why they need a ranking (whether cardinal or ordinal).

But still a good segue into a review of the first three points on "Your"(/Our) Responsibility Code:

1. Always stay in control, and be able to stop or avoid other people or objects.
2. People ahead of you have the right of way. It is your responsibility to avoid them.
3. You must not stop where you obstruct a trail, or are not visible from above.

The problem with uphill skinners at ski resorts is they are by and large "look at me" assholes. They just want people to know how core they are.

Although resort uphill policies vary widely on this, I suspect that the vast majority of resort skinning occurs during pre-season, non-operational hours, and post-season, i.e., when nobody is there to look at them.

 

[AdironRider]

Think what you will, it is not quicker or easier to go to a ski hill and skin than the backcountry. If avy conditions are causing them to go to ski hills, that just illustrates my point even further. These people want you to know they are more core than you are but aren't willing to put in the real work to learn the right way to go about things. Typical asshole behavior.

Most resort skinning does not happen after ski hills close, certainly back east where most are going up until the snow is gone, or will be within a week. Out West however you do see that often. JHole is usually skiable for 1-2 months after they close, longer up high. This is about the only time I see a benefit.

That all being said, if it means shorter lift lines and smaller crowds in bounds as more and more people head out and skin, I'm all for it.

 

[Not Sure]

Think what you will, it is not quicker or easier to go to a ski hill and skin than the backcountry. If avy conditions are causing them to go to ski hills, that just illustrates my point even further. These people want you to know they are more core than you are but aren't willing to put in the real work to learn the right way to go about things. Typical asshole behavior.

Most resort skinning does not happen after ski hills close, certainly back east where most are going up until the snow is gone, or will be within a week. Out West however you do see that often. JHole is usually skiable for 1-2 months after they close, longer up high. This is about the only time I see a benefit.

That all being said, if it means shorter lift lines and smaller crowds in bounds as more and more people head out and skin, I'm all for it.

Provided you live where there is Snow! I have seen one or two look at me types ,one that might need a defibrillator LOL.
Most are younger looking to go outside the box , maybe inspired by some film .
I haven't personally done a resort, definitely wasting pass time .
I may do it this year as practice for an up/down race.

 

[dlague]

Personally it does not bother me and I have skied by my fair share. When watching from a lift I often think it is something I might like to try but never want to spend money on since I would not do it often enough. I am sure those skinning up are aware of t b ose skiing down, at least I would be.

 

[Not Sure]

Personally it does not bother me and I have skied by my fair share. When watching from a lift I often think it is something I might like to try but never want to spend money on since I would not do it often enough. I am sure those skinning up are aware of t b ose skiing down, at least I would be.

With me it's become an obsession , a certain local mountain line that I looked at 20 yrs ago . Until a Tucks trip several years ago I never new about touring gear .It has allowed me to make it a reality I bought some as a noob not realizing how much effort it is and weight makes a difference . I did well this year with new equipment dropping my weight from 12lbs a ski to 9. I don't recall who posted the steadfast sale But thanks a lot , Skis $180, boots $80 bindings $339 . Seems like the sales are over . Retail again would be almost $,1300.00
I train off season and pray for enough snow to get the full run . Hit other local areas last year .
Awesome solitude and knowing I've got first descents .My "Old" ski buddies think I'm crazy and sigh when I tell them where I'm going .

 

[ThinkSnow]

Think what you will, it is not quicker or easier to go to a ski hill and skin than the backcountry. If avy conditions are causing them to go to ski hills, that just illustrates my point even further. These people want you to know they are more core than you are but aren't willing to put in the real work to learn the right way to go about things. Typical asshole behavior.

Most resort skinning does not happen after ski hills close, certainly back east where most are going up until the snow is gone, or will be within a week. Out West however you do see that often. JHole is usually skiable for 1-2 months after they close, longer up high. This is about the only time I see a benefit.

What a Jhole.

 

[Abubob]

Think what you will, it is not quicker or easier to go to a ski hill and skin than the backcountry. If avy conditions are causing them to go to ski hills, that just illustrates my point even further. These people want you to know they are more core than you are but aren't willing to put in the real work to learn the right way to go about things. Typical asshole behavior.

Most resort skinning does not happen after ski hills close, certainly back east where most are going up until the snow is gone, or will be within a week. Out West however you do see that often. JHole is usually skiable for 1-2 months after they close, longer up high. This is about the only time I see a benefit.

That all being said, if it means shorter lift lines and smaller crowds in bounds as more and more people head out and skin, I'm all for it.

I'm just doing it for the exercise. There will be skinable skiable snow at the resort long before backcountry opens up. When it does I hope I'm ready. As for "look at me, I'm core" I haven't skinned during lift operations yet but hope to skin one run then ride the lifts the rest of the day. I'll probably feel like an idiot the first few times.

 

[skiNEwhere]

The problem with uphill skinners at ski resorts is they are by and large "look at me" assholes. They just want people to know how core they are.

If you want to skin great, but at an operating ski resort? Seems to defeat the entire point.

Did one of these guys reveal your secret stash or something? Seems like you have a lot of anger towards uphillers based on unfounded, unproven, assumptions.

I don't see the problem with getting exercise in a area that's been cleared by ski patrol as safe from avy danger, especially if you're trying to get some relatively quick turns and exercise in without all the addition time that's needed check BC conditions to ensure its safe. Also if you're skiing solo it would be downright stupid to ski BC

I've only uphill skinned before or after hours, and I only skin uphill before a resort opens on a pow day.

Yup, I do it for attention, so that the people on first chair can see me skiing pow and get to a mid-mountain chair before they even get off their current one. [/SARCASM]

 

[becca m]

I skin where I have season passes...during lift hours and per resort rules to stay in shape when back country conditions suck....And last winter could only skin and ski per Dr approval until my broken fibula could fully heal..Then I could snowboard again.

 

[Scruffy]

Think what you will, it is not quicker or easier to go to a ski hill and skin than the backcountry. If avy conditions are causing them to go to ski hills, that just illustrates my point even further. .

Well, that bolded statement just proves to everyone who's skinned in the backcountry and also skinned at a resort ( where the trails are usually smooth, unless you've just gotten a huge dump ), that you don't know what the f'k you're talking about.

Have you actually ever broken trail in knee deep pow up the side of a mountain, on skis with skins? It doesn't sound like it. Hell even if you've never done it, common sense would tell you're wrong if you've ever broken trail with XC skis vs XC skied at a groomed XC center.

 

[Scruffy]

Did one of these guys reveal your secret stash or something? Seems like you have a lot of anger towards uphillers based on unfounded, unproven, assumptions.

He's angry all the time, read his other posts. It's a real drag living in the ski bum life in J-hole and skiing >100 days a year.

 

[catsup948]

I don't have a problem with people skining the resorts during operating hours. Skining is a great workout. I personally skin more late season after resorts close and during the season I like to skin and ski in the backcountry if conditions are good. I find this more rewarding than skining a resort with good conditions.