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Vermont Senate Passes Ski Area Bailout
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KustyTheKlown
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Prices in Colorado have definitely leveled off. Last year in breckenridge top shelf 1/8s were $50-70, this year they were $35-50. In Denver there is so much competition that they are literally giving it away, $10 grams, freebies for customer loyalty. It's a wonderful new world and I hope the Vermont house doesn't kill this in its tracks. Shumlin is all for it. It's a cash cow and brings a shit ton of black market activity into the taxable market.
fwiw, pot travel was a factor in my Quebec v Vermont decision this week. It does matter to lots of people.
pot, skiing, and the grateful dead are all good buddies. they all are great alone but also complement each other wonderfully
fwiw, pot travel was a factor in my Quebec v Vermont decision this week. It does matter to lots of people.
pot, skiing, and the grateful dead are all good buddies. they all are great alone but also complement each other wonderfully
At least in the beginning, with VTs proximity to such a huge population of people, I bet there will be a massive challenge meeting demand.
KustyTheKlown
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The way the bill is written, only 30 dispensaries would be allowed and also limited number of grow licenses and no homegrown. I get not wanting to subvert the legal supply chain, but come on, license people to be able to keep a few plants at home. I'd think it would eventually evolve to allow homegrown. Home brewing was illegal once too. So yea, demand would be crazy at first.
from_the_NEK
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I've never used MJ as I hate smoking stuff. That being said, I'm all for legalization since I think imprisoning people for something so benign is absurd.
Then there is the anti-MJ crowd that watches way too much Faux News and grew up with Reefer Madness. My wife's 70yo step-father is in that boat. He is completely convinced legalizing MJ is going to ruin this state as it tears families apart, increases crime, and puts people in the hospital, as well as turning everyone that tries MJ into a heroin addict (since you know MJ is a HUGE gateway drug).
I just have to shake my head as I try to keep trying to tell him that it sounds like he is describing all of the side effects of Alcohol (I know more people that have tried hard drugs while drunk rather than high). IMHO the major "Gateway" component of MJ is the illegal part that puts people in close contact with shady people that do that stuff.
freeski
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Looks like Vermont will be first in the NE. NH will follow once it realizes how much tax and tourist dollars they are loosing, but it will take years. Agree with Boston and NY next door VT will cash in.
KustyTheKlown
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Read an article this week about increased hospital visits for marijuana effects this year in Colorado, especially among out of state patients. Observations - more people are likely to seek medical assistance than before because now it's not illegal and there is no fear of arrest at hospital; lots of noobs with no experience who dont know their limits and aren't familiar with the effects; edibles can fuck you up pretty fierce and if you don't know what's happening, that's scary
It's still one of the most benign and harmless "drugs" in history
Last week at loon I asked some ~17 year olds in the gondola if they minded if I burnt a bowl. They said they minded. First time 17 year old boys have ever answered that question in the negative. Usually they're jazzed that I'm gonna share. Squares.
It's still one of the most benign and harmless "drugs" in history
Last week at loon I asked some ~17 year olds in the gondola if they minded if I burnt a bowl. They said they minded. First time 17 year old boys have ever answered that question in the negative. Usually they're jazzed that I'm gonna share. Squares.
freeski
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There is no excuse for the 17 year olds rude behavior.
I would imagine that most politicians would be all for the legalization of substances that rendered their constituents sedated, apathetic and easily manipulated. Granted, most of my opinions are based on negative stereotypes that I learn from TV.
BenedictGomez
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I think it will be chaos. Vermont isn't prepared to handle....well..... pretty much anything if we're being honest....let alone something of this magnitude.
There have been a lot of problems with legal MJ in CO, which is what I meant by it coming with a cost. Some folks who supported legalized marijuana in CO are now against it / wished they didn't legalize it. It will be interesting to see what the financial offset is to the $125M in tax it brings in. The reality is, legalized drugs simply are not the financial boom that drug supporters claim they are, once all the extraneous crap that always pops up is factored in.
Whatever it is, there is a correlation. And it's not surprising. I think it's quite logical to think someone might dabble with a drug low on the chart, and then decide to move up the chart in terms of harm. This is obvious. I dont even understand why pro MJ people take offense to this. Most people who are hard core 1/5 of Jack a day alcoholics started with cheap watered down beer. Not that dissimilar a concept.
KustyTheKlown
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Yeah, except anyone who goes to the hospital because they're too high on pot is just a jackass. Wait it out and eat less next time ("overdoses" are almost always from edibles, and there is no such thing as a fatal overdose)
Edd
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You'd think that, but if you're being lobbied by industries such as alcohol, pharmaceutical, and private prisons, you might be inclined to keep it illegal for as long as possible.
KustyTheKlown
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I also take issue with marijuana creating an unmotivated and apathetic populace. Thats a pretty lousy old stereotype. Truth is tons of people smoke pot, have jobs and careers and families and responsibilities and are good engaged citizens. I know I've read some studies that have confirmed that people who dabble in drugs tend to be more open minded and intellectually curious than those who maintain a hardline personal prohibition.
Disagree on chaos. VT embraces and grows cottage industry businesses just fine. Look how quickly and easily breweries are opening all over the state. The main delay will simply be the linear time it takes to get the crop growing. That's several months
Regarding costs to society surrounding legalization, I don't think there's anyone denying it. Sure there are costs, but such is the case with alcohol to an exponentially higher degree. Vastly more dangerous product.
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from_the_NEK
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That is why I said "major gateway component". Of course there is always going to be a minor amount of users that look for something stronger no matter what they are doing. They way my step father in-law talks, it is as if EVERYONE who touches MJ is going to go looking for hard core drugs soon after they lay down the bong.
Analogy time: Some skiers aren't happy skiing groomers, so they go into the trees. Some component of those skiers aren't happy skiing trees so they start dropping cliffs, next thing you know they are ski BASE jumping ;-).
KustyTheKlown
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I've plateaued at dropping cliffs, the cocaine of skiing. Would never base ski, the heroin of skiing.
from_the_NEK
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An acquaintance of mine who is around 60 did this two weeks ago. He hadn't tried MJ since one time in high school. He kept eating a bunch of edibles since he didn't feel anything. Then it all hit him at once. He couldn't feel his legs, couldn't walk, and ALMOST called an ambulance. I wasn't there, but it is funny to hear him tell the story.
Edd
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It's not clear to me what kind of financial offset would counter $125M in tax revenue that would justify making it illegal again. As DHS stated, booze is so much more destructive than pot, they barely belong in the same discussion. Seriously. Ask cops and doctors who they'd rather deal with: a drunk or a stoner. It'll be a stoner every time. That may be why you perceive offense from pro MJ people. Relatively speaking, it's a harmless substance. If you don't understand that, then you're showing ignorance about marijuana, which I don't mean offensively.
And there's the state of NH, doling out the booze in stores while keeping MJ illegal for some reason? Don't ask the lawmakers why, they won't have an answer that makes any sense at all.
We can't have nice things because Jesus and the children
BenedictGomez
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Actually it's pretty conclusively proven fact in terms of long-term, chronic (no pun intended) users, with statistically significant data. Also proven to decreases language skills and has a memory impact. Again, this isn't casual once a month users, but frequent users.
And metabolically speaking, you cant have it both ways - you cant claim marijuana has XYZ all sorts of fantastic pharmacological effects and benefits for humans, and then pretend it's impossible that those same activated cannabinoid receptors in the brain perhaps couldn't lead to some negative effects as well. Same with legal drugs.
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