Vermont Senate Passes Ski Area Bailout

[Los]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/story?id=95475&page=1#.UFxiia51iUN

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Man shoot and killed drug raid at wrong house. How much does cost in money death of inconent people this shit is crazy and out of hand.

Oh please. If you purchase your drugs illegally then you're part of the problem since you're helping to create a market for criminals to serve. If you really cared about innocent people being shot, you'd stop purchasing drugs on the black market. But that's not what you really care about. You really just want to get stoned and you feel you have a God-given right to do so. That's fine. Just be honest about it. Stop hiding behind "poor people" and crime stories.

(procrastinating yet again on a Monday morning.... see? we all have our issues and problems...)

 

[KustyTheKlown]

there are some bigoted backwards ass conservatards on this site.

so, drugs should be illegal because they are illegal?

yes, the racial aspect of marijuana enforcement is mostly a non-issue on a personal level for the posters of this board, as skiers skew overwhelmingly white. but to ignore the clear class and racial issues in marijuana enforcement is insane. you really just want to be a racist backwards prick and feel you have a god given right to do so. that's fine. just be honest about it.

and if a generally harmless and certainly non-fatal plant with therapeutic value were legalized and available for purchase in legitimate businesses with a hefty sales tax, then pot smokers wouldn't have to resort to patronizing "criminals" and we wouldnt waste millions (billions?) on enforcement that does zero in terms of deterrence. the drug war is a fucking sham and waste of your and my money, especially with regards to marijuana enforcement.

do you hate gay people and women as much as you hate poor and dark people?

 

[Jcb890]

Nice timing on the post:grin:

I didn't even notice. Awesome :lol:

 

[Los]

there are some bigoted backwards ass conservatards on this site.

yes, the racial aspect of marijuana enforcement is mostly a non-issue on a personal level for the posters of this board, as skiers skew overwhelmingly white. but to ignore the clear class and racial issues in marijuana enforcement is insane. you really just want to be a racist backwards prick and feel you have a god given right to do so. that's fine. just be honest about it.

What?

Are you the guy who proudly announced that you're an attorney and a pot smoker? Was that supposed to be impressive? Every other person I know is an attorney, including me. Almost anyone can find an accredited law school that will accept them, and among those almost anyone can find a state bar to pass. It's not impressive at all that you're an attorney. It's sad that you think it is. I wasn't going to comment on THAT ridiculous post until I saw the one from just now.

I was also going to let your other post go where you proudly announced that you wanted to (illegally) smoke a bowl on the gondola at Loon but some "lame" underage kids objected. Wow. Seriously? That is so offensive on so many levels. My kids aren't that old yet, but if I was the father of those kids, I would have hunted you down and beat the living shit out of you. What the fuck is wrong with you?? It's really demented that you thought that was ok. But the icing on the cake is that you're an officer of the court. I hope to God that you're caught one day and that you're disbarred. That would be one less scumbag attorney in practice. Get yourself stoned silly in your own home if you like. On a gondola with underage kids? And you're a FUCKING ATTORNEY?

You fucking low-life scumbag.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

lol. calm down conservatard.

"do you guys mind if i smoke a bowl?"
"yes, we mind"
"okay, cool, i won't smoke a bowl"

you know? a polite interaction between human beings. these kids were easily 16-17. i didn't offer your 10 year old heroin.

 

[deadheadskier]

Oh please. If you purchase your drugs illegally then you're part of the problem since you're helping to create a market for criminals to serve. If you really cared about innocent people being shot, you'd stop purchasing drugs on the black market. But that's not what you really care about. You really just want to get stoned and you feel you have a God-given right to do so. That's fine. Just be honest about it. Stop hiding behind "poor people" and crime stories.

(procrastinating yet again on a Monday morning.... see? we all have our issues and problems...)

He actually partakes both for recreational use and medicinal.

Not cool to be so judgmental without knowing who you are talking to and their individual circumstances.

My wife uses primarily for medicinal purposes as well. She has gastro issues where a little puff takes care of it better than any chemical some scientist made up. Trust me, we tried to go the legal route. Been to no fewer then a half dozen specialists, had plenty of endoscopic studies, CT-scans and gone through ridiculous discomfort on many different medications with horrific side effects. Yet, one small puff a few times a day from a natural product of the earth(not "getting stoned") and she is completely fine. I personally no longer smoke due to employment restrictions, but I have to go black market and be a "criminal" to provide her with the relief she needs. You think I enjoy taking that risk of purchase and transport? You think Scotty does?

Now, unfortunately her condition isn't approved by the ignorant and arrogant politicians in Concord. Even if it was, NH can't get its shit together for proper distribution.

So before you start casting judgment on others, why don't you take the time to learn about their individual circumstances. You don't know Scottys situation, mine and I'm sure numerous others who participate in this forum.

 

[Los]

lol. calm down conservatard.

"do you guys mind if i smoke a bowl?"
"yes, we mind"
"okay, cool, i won't smoke a bowl"

you know? a polite interaction between human beings. these kids were easily 16-17. i didn't offer your 10 year old heroin.

You are out of your mind if you think that was ok. Yeah, you could have been even more of an irresponsible asshole and just smoked up without even asking them. Congratulations. But the fact that you thought it was even ok to ask... Wow. 16-17 year old kids you say? Holy shit. Again, what the fuck is wrong with you? PLEASE keep doing irresponsible bone-headed things like this. You are bound to get caught and get disbarred. So PLEASE keep acting like a complete fucking irresponsible self centered jerk-off. One less scumbag attorney will be a net positive for everyone...

Now go smoke a bowl and chase some ambulances. Get to work stoner!

PS - Good, good, good for those kids. Their parents should be very proud. I wonder if at their age I might have been intimidated by someone much older than me and said yes.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

calm down conservatard

 

[Jcb890]

You are out of your mind if you think that was ok. Yeah, you could have been even more of an irresponsible asshole and just smoked up without even asking them. Congratulations. But the fact that you thought it was even ok to ask... Wow. 16-17 year old kids you say? Holy shit. Again, what the fuck is wrong with you? PLEASE keep doing irresponsible bone-headed things like this. You are bound to get caught and get disbarred. So PLEASE keep acting like a complete fucking irresponsible self centered jerk-off. One less scumbag attorney will be a net positive for everyone...

Now go smoke a bowl and chase some ambulances. Get to work stoner!

PS - Good, good, good for those kids. Their parents should be very proud. I wonder if at their age I might have been intimidated by someone much older than me and said yes.

You do realize these kids also could have been 18 also, right? When you're 30+ years old, most people "look 16 or 17", yet they may actually be 18, 19, 20 or even 21. Perhaps Klusty should have carded them also.

I'm not even going to bother getting involved in the rest of this pissing match you guys have going on.

My wife deals with chronic migraines. She has been to many doctors and clinics and been hospitalized at times before. Her options boil down to very few because she also has a chronic kidney disease which limits the medicines she can take.

So, her options are to take an opiod - which doesn't actually do anything for the pain or discomfort, only makes you not care about it - and the side effects are terrible. Or, she can use something more natural. Her options range from taking medicine which makes her feel even worse when it wears off (brings back the migraine, often times even worse or can bring on its own migraine) and repeated use which can lead to slurring of words and some trouble speaking... which is embarrassing and tough to deal with. Or... she can use MJ when she needs it.

Opiods are terrible.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

I'm a migraine sufferer. About 5x a year I get a massive one, auras, numbness, vomiting, the works. Smoking helps a little but I find if I take my prescription barbiturate (fiorinol I think) within 20 minutes of visual auras, I knock it from full blown migraine to mildly annoying headache.

I've heard some very interesting things about microdosing LSD or psilocybin for more chronic migraine sufferers than me, and for cluster headache sufferers

 

[Los]

You do realize these kids also could have been 18 also, right? When you're 30+ years old, most people "look 16 or 17", yet they may actually be 18, 19, 20 or even 21. Perhaps Klusty should have carded them also.

Wow, that's a breathtakingly solid argument. You and Krusty must have been law school classmates. "But your honor, they COULD have been 18, 19, 20, or heck, even 21 year olds! What was I supposed to do, CARD THEM?!?!??!" Good luck with that one. I'm sure Krusty's state disciplinary board will be sympathetic as well.

But in all seriousness, in choosing not to get involved with the pissing match you showed both restraint and wisdom. Traits that Krusty and I severely lack.

To all those who feel they need marijuana for medicinal purposes, isn't that legal now in most states? If not, it surely will be soon. Nevertheless, it remains the case that if you're purchasing on the black market, you're still contributing to criminality. That's not a judgment, that's a fact.

(Edit: "bar" to "board" - my bad)

 

[Los]

I'm a migraine sufferer. About 5x a year I get a massive one, auras, numbness, vomiting, the works. Smoking helps a little but I find if I take my prescription barbiturate (fiorinol I think) within 20 minutes of visual auras, I knock it from full blown migraine to mildly annoying headache.

I've heard some very interesting things about microdosing LSD or psilocybin for more chronic migraine sufferers than me, and for cluster headache sufferers

Guess you were suffering a migraine attack on the gondola at Loon?

 

[deadheadskier]

I attended an Emergency Nurses conference recently where one the topics was microdosing Ketamine as an opiate alternative.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

The conversation is about making it legal so that an extremely common recreational substance with proven medical benefits is available without having to support a criminal market. Are you really that dense? The fact that something is illegal means you cannot support legalization and the regulation and taxation that comes along with that? That's asinine. And no, most medical users in the east are shit out of luck. Most state medical programs in the east are extremely restrictive with not enough doctors or distribution centers for patients to meaningfully benefit. You're a jerk.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

Ketamine has also been shown to work some wonders on depression patients. K is a weird ass substance

 

[VTKilarney]

Just a point of fact. There is already prescription THC. The commercial name for the drug is Marinol. The approved uses of the drug are limited, but I just wanted to point out that there is a legal option already.

Marijuana advocates don't argue for expanded use of Marinol. If they are so confident of the effectiveness of marijuana for medical uses, why would they want to avoid subjecting these claims to FDA analysis?

 

[KustyTheKlown]

I don't think anyone is saying that marijuana shouldn't be fully evaluated scientifically by the federal government. It should. It should be taken out of schedule 1 so that there can be free unfettered medical research performed. but my position has always been that medical legalization is a bit of a Trojan horse and that full recreational legalization should be the main focus, and that California's program did a bit of a disservice to everyone because it's so widely abused by people without dire medical need. It's should be like many other herbal supplements which have some medical benefits and which don't require a prescription to purchase

 

[deadheadskier]

Just a point of fact. There is already prescription THC. The commercial name for the drug is Marinol. The approved uses of the drug are limited, but I just wanted to point out that there is a legal option already.

So, after trying at least a dozen different prescription drugs with horrific side effects, you think my wife is eager to hop right in and try something else that's synthetic? Who knows what it's cut with.

There's a plant, it grows in the ground, she uses it at home without bothering anyone. It works. This activity she not be illegal. It's really that simple.

 

[Los]

The conversation is about making it legal so that an extremely common recreational substance with proven medical benefits is available without having to support a criminal market. Are you really that dense? The fact that something is illegal means you cannot support legalization and the regulation and taxation that comes along with that? That's asinine. And no, most medical users in the east are shit out of luck. Most state medical programs in the east are extremely restrictive with not enough doctors or distribution centers for patients to meaningfully benefit. You're a jerk.

Ok guy. I support medical marijuana but I could care less about legalizing it for recreational use. There are at least hundreds if not thousands of issues that are more important. Go ahead and legalize it, I could care less. Or not. Either way is fine with me because it's not important. My view is just that most people are more interested in getting high than they are in helping the poor since there are, likewise, hundreds if not thousands of things you could do to REALLY help the poor, if that's what you were actually interested in doing.

However, what I DO care about is your unimaginably irresponsible personal behavior. Among other insane aspects to it, you BLAMED the KIDS for not allowing you to engage in an illegal activity!!! WHO IS THE JERK????

When you have a moment, please provide me with your state bar identification numbers.

(edit - "just" and "please")

 

[KustyTheKlown]

There's a plant, it grows in the ground, she uses it at home without bothering anyone. It works. This activity she not be illegal. It's really that simple.

and anyone who says otherwise will, in the next ~10 years, be proven to have been on the wrong side of history