Vote for Utah ski bus

[thetrailboss]

They also don't have the USA military and weapons industry economies to keep up and running. Being the worlds police force has an unfortunate price tag.

I can't say for sure but I bet thats' the big difference between us and them.

True

 

[Smellytele]

They also don't have the USA military and weapons industry economies to keep up and running. Being the worlds police force has an unfortunate price tag.

I can't say for sure but I bet thats' the big difference between us and them.

And European taxes

 

[raisingarizona]

And European taxes

Or European health care etc.

 

[raisingarizona]

I was only in Europe for 5 or six days last year, Switzerland to be exact but it seemed like their basic needs were taken care of, the "poorer" people seemed pretty darn well off and comfortable and there wasn't much crime or at least where I was.

I doubt five days is enough to really form much of an opinion but that was my personal observation.

 

[abc]

a lot of the ski areas themselves are NOT wholly owned by private interests looking to make a profit. Most of the ones I know of are publicly owned or at least a public/private partnership.

Do you mind naming a few?

 

[raisingarizona]

Do you mind naming a few?

There's 3977 ski areas in Europe. The list is here

Ski resorts Europe - skiing in Europe

List and map of all 3953 ski resorts in Europe. Find the ideal ski resort for skiing in Europe. Overview: ski Europe

www.skiresort.info

 

[thetrailboss]

Alta leaders want traffic, merging issues fixed before building gondola up Little Cottonwood Canyon

Local Alta leaders sent a letter to UDOT asking the department fix traffic and merging issues at the town and resort before starting work on the proposed gondola through Little Cottonwood Canyon.

www.sltrib.com

 

[urungus]

Alta leaders want traffic, merging issues fixed before building gondola up Little Cottonwood Canyon

Local Alta leaders sent a letter to UDOT asking the department fix traffic and merging issues at the town and resort before starting work on the proposed gondola through Little Cottonwood Canyon.

www.sltrib.com

Blocked by paywall

 

[ss20]

Blocked by paywall

I can copy/paste it later. The letter at least not the article.

 

[thetrailboss]

Update

Toll roads could be in Big, Little Cottonwood canyons by 2025

Utah's Department of Transportation is moving ahead with plans to implement toll roads in Big and Little Cottonwood canyons.

www.fox13now.com

 

[machski]

Update

Toll roads could be in Big, Little Cottonwood canyons by 2025

Utah's Department of Transportation is moving ahead with plans to implement toll roads in Big and Little Cottonwood canyons.

www.fox13now.com

Variable tolling upwards of $50/vehicle per day. Pure money grab targeting one type of Canyon user. If you are going to potentially charge that, it needs to be at the actual mouth and all users pay the same. Glad I got my Utah skiing out of the way years ago, sounds like an absolute hot mess now. Given the lack of beds up Canyons, say buy buy to tourist $$ flowing in should these types of toll costs come to pass and a Gondola(s) fail to materialize.

 

[snoseek]

20-50 is a big range and both numbers seem excessive to me. If that money went straight to better bussing then sure I guess but that bussing better be flawless and constant.

 

[LonghornSkier]

If the toll is too low, it won't affect traffic.

You have to make it sting to see a true shift in transit mode.

 

[thebigo]

I was only in Europe for 5 or six days last year, Switzerland to be exact but it seemed like their basic needs were taken care of, the "poorer" people seemed pretty darn well off and comfortable and there wasn't much crime or at least where I was.

I doubt five days is enough to really form much of an opinion but that was my personal observation.

Switzerland is the wealthiest country in continental Europe; try Rome or Prague at night or any rural area in eastern Europe for that matter.

 

[thetrailboss]

20-50 is a big range and both numbers seem excessive to me. If that money went straight to better bussing then sure I guess but that bussing better be flawless and constant.

All I am going to say is IKON understand why this is coming….

 

[Smellytele]

All I am going to say is IKON understand why this is coming….

Me to - too many out of staters moved in then complained when the area got "over crowded" when more moved in after them.

 

[thetrailboss]

Me to - too many out of staters moved in then complained when the area got "over crowded" when more moved in after them.

If that is a jab at me, I've been here now 12 years. Long before IKON and the move to volume strategy in canyons that cannot handle the traffic.

 

[FBGM]

Half dozen beers in thought…

…does the “skiing market” have a crash like the “housing market”. How much up and up and up can you go before a correction?

Of course if they still come and pay regardless of ticket/pass/parking/tolls then why not keep up ticking charges. But when does this top out?

 

[jaytrem]

If that is a jab at me, I've been here now 12 years. Long before IKON and the move to volume strategy in canyons that cannot handle the traffic.

Over 1/2 a million people moved there in the last 12 years, all but 3 of them ski. I'm sure ikon doesn't help, but I can't imagine the crowds weren't coming anyway. I would think most SLC places would be maxed out anyway on weekends due to lack of parking and insufficient mass transit. No?

 

[LonghornSkier]

Half dozen beers in thought…

…does the “skiing market” have a crash like the “housing market”. How much up and up and up can you go before a correction?

Of course if they still come and pay regardless of ticket/pass/parking/tolls then why not keep up ticking charges. But when does this top out?

I don’t disagree that skier visits could dip at some point in the next 5 years as the experience degrades, but there are big differences between the skiing market and the housing market. Leverage, stickiness, transaction costs, etc.. A better comp would probably be what the golf industry was going through prior to covid injecting life into it.