Vt dropping travel restrictions for people vaccinated effective Feb 23rd

[Andrew B.]

I have no problem with adults making choices for themselves. At least in the case of Covid, they're not hurting others significantly.

But when it comes to children, that's a different matter. We do prosecute parents who withheld foods and other basics from their children. So I'm ok with doing the same with vaccines to children. Vaccination of children should be "basic" that parents can't opt out of!

All this handwringing about forced vaccination is to me more conspiracy theory than anything else. There will be NO chance in hell that anyone will be forced to get vaccinated. Just look at the lines outside of pharmacies and vaccination sites! All that talk about low vaccination rate is irrelevant!

Freedom of religion can be invoked to not vaccinate children.
I still am in sure what your point is with this, what is you’re idea of “low vaccination rate”?

 

[jimmywilson69]

I wish each thread didn't disintegrate into the same bunch of folks essentially arguing the same point. GEEZ!

 

[abc]

Freedom of religion can be invoked to not vaccinate children.

I know it "can" be done. But is that a good idea?

Can you withhold food and shelter to your own children under religious waiver?

 

[drjeff]

You're the one who's lost. Not only "truly" lost. But willingly remain lost too.

You took the statement out of context and make ridiculous extension to it. Clearly, you're also ignorant of the fact there isn't any Covid vaccine YET APPROVED for children.

Suit yourself.

(people talk about this forum going to the dogs. With moderators like that, no wonder).

The reality is that the vaccines that will very likely be approved for children will be no different than the one's for adults.

Heck, in CT, as of May 3rd, my 17yr old daughter will be eligible to receive the vaccine under the new age based vaccination guidance CT put out there this past Monday. (Age;s 16-34 are scheduled to become eligible on May 3rd)

As of yet in CT, there still is no timeframe for when my 15 yr old son will become eligible for vaccination.

 

[Andrew B.]

I know it "can" be done. But is that a good idea?

Can you withhold food and shelter to your own children under religious waiver?

Ha
Lots of people do stupid things.
Watch YouTube sometime.

As a registered home health care provided I was already stuck once and get # week after next.

 

[abc]

the vaccines that will very likely be approved for children will be no different than the one's for adults.

How much testing of the vaccine had been done on under 18?

All the vaccines are only approved under "Emergency" use. Now they want to administer it on children without long term study? I thought children don't get too sick with Covid, so what's the "emergency"?

 

[2Planker]

Interesting how choice is good in some areas and not in others. Schools? Not good, health insurance ( or not) , not good.
My health insurance, went from $850 family plan per month ( $25 co-pay; no deductible) pre-mandated in '07, to $2500 w $4K deductible in '17.

And. . . still plenty don't have coverage. As for insurance use, it's generally been, like life or home insurance, you get it, pay for it, and hope and pray you never have to use it. Same. goes for health insurance. HMO's changed the landscape in the 70's.

30% of the cost of everything is attached to health and legal mandates that didn't exist 35 years ago. ( and no, I don't agree with the concept of mandated coverage for those who refuse to pay in) if we do it charitably, great, I'm in. Forced, not-so-much.

Dr. Jeff, my dentist and many

You're the one who's lost. Not only "truly" lost. But willingly remain lost too.

You took the statement out of context and make ridiculous extension to it. Clearly, you're also ignorant of the fact there isn't any Covid vaccine for children.

Suit yourself.

(people talk about this forum going to the dogs. With moderators like that, no wonder).

Agree 100%
The "moderator" needs to be more neutral, especially when posting stupid shit.

 

[drjeff]

How much testing of the vaccine had been done on under 18?

All the vaccines are only approved under "Emergency" use. Now they want to administer it on children without long term study? I thought children don't get too sick with Covid, so what's the "emergency"?

You're somewhat making the point that has been trying to be made here numerous times.

Don't just blindly accept what our "leaders" (who often aren't immunology or public health experts) are saying

Why is this often being looked at as a "one size fits all" approach? When it probably shouldn't of very soon after some characteristcs of risks and most vulnerable demographics were understood

And why does it seem like the buzz phrase "trust the science" is only cited by our "leaders" when it fits the narrative that they seem to be pushing on all of us?

 

[boston_e]

As of yet in CT, there still is no timeframe for when my 15 yr old son will become eligible for vaccination.

Because clinical trials have not yet been completed for kids in that age group.

 

[boston_e]

How much testing of the vaccine had been done on under 18?

All the vaccines are only approved under "Emergency" use. Now they want to administer it on children without long term study? I thought children don't get too sick with Covid, so what's the "emergency"?

Moderna began their clinical trials on teenagers in December, with a hopes to have data in advance of the start of the 2021 fall semester school year.

Moderna begins COVID-19 vaccine trial in teenagers (thedenverchannel.com)

 

[drjeff]

Because clinical trials have not yet been completed for kids in that age group.

Oh, I fully understand that. The point I guess that I am trying to make, is that in CT atleast, they somewhat arbitrarily have decided that age 16 will be the "magic number". And having a 15yr old, who will be just aboit 15.5yrs old on May 3rd, and is currently just under 6 feet tall and about 170lbs, the reality is there is no difference between him and a 16yr old, or heck even a mid 20's aged person of similar size.

Lots of arbitrarily arrived upon metrics being used all over COVID policy determinations

 

[boston_e]

Oh, I fully understand that. The point I guess that I am trying to make, is that in CT atleast, they somewhat arbitrarily have decided that age 16 will be the "magic number". And having a 15yr old, who will be just aboit 15.5yrs old on May 3rd, and is currently just under 6 feet tall and about 170lbs, the reality is there is no difference between him and a 16yr old, or heck even a mid 20's aged person of similar size.

Lots of arbitrarily arrived upon metrics being used all over COVID policy determinations

That isn't something CT arbitrarily pulled out of the air. Pfizer included 16 year olds in its clinical trials and is therefor approved for use in people 16 +.

 

[abc]

You're somewhat making the point that has been trying to be made here numerous times.

Don't just blindly accept what our "leaders" (who often aren't immunology or public health experts) are saying

Why is this often being looked at as a "one size fits all" approach? When it probably shouldn't of very soon after some characteristcs of risks and most vulnerable demographics were understood

And why does it seem like the buzz phrase "trust the science" is only cited by our "leaders" when it fits the narrative that they seem to be pushing on all of us?

"Trying to make" perhaps, but based on nothing but hyperboles.

"The government" isn't out to get you. It's just an organization that makes decisions, sometimes wise, sometimes not. As citizens, we have the right to question it. But too many people don't have any real understanding of the issues they're objecting. They just object because inconvenience them. They may use fancy words like "infringement". But wait until that shoe is on the other foot, they'll be the one screaming the government to "do something", like randomly checking IDs to catch illegal immigrants!

Vaccine on children (and pregnant women) are always the last to get tested because there's heighten risk in that group. Pfizer may have tested 16 year olds. But a "child" of that age is quite capable of understanding the risk. So quite likely, the decision would be made jointly by the "child" with his/her parents. Further more, parents who choose not to vaccinate a 16 year old will have no power over them once the kid reaches 17 and can choose freely as an adult.

 

[drjeff]

That isn't something CT arbitrarily pulled out of the air. Pfizer included 16 year olds in its clinical trials and is therefor approved for use in people 16 +.

Accept that there's no guarantee of which vaccine one will get

 

[eatskisleep]

So back on topic... as for Vermont are places actually checking any of this? I haven’t skied in VT this season, but if someone were to, does Killington (for example) ask where you are staying, if you’ve been quarantined, or had a vaccine? Or none of their business? I assume it’s more of a don’t ask don’t tell policy, no?

 

[ss20]

So back on topic... as for Vermont are places actually checking any of this? I haven’t skied in VT this season, but if someone were to, does Killington (for example) ask where you are staying, if you’ve been quarantined, or had a vaccine? Or none of their business? I assume it’s more of a don’t ask don’t tell policy, no?

There's no enforcement on the part of the mountains. Hotels are the same thing...just sign the paper and here's your room key. Rumor was there were undercover cops who would strike up conversations with tourists about if they q'd/didn't q but I don't know if that's true or not...even if it is...there's no penalty for breaking the rules in VT. No fines that I am aware of.

Earlier this year it was "don't ask don't tell" but at this point lots of people I ride up the chairlift talk about how they didn't follow the restrictions.

 

[boston_e]

There's no enforcement on the part of the mountains. Hotels are the same thing...just sign the paper and here's your room key. Rumor was there were undercover cops who would strike up conversations with tourists about if they q'd/didn't q but I don't know if that's true or not...even if it is...there's no penalty for breaking the rules in VT. No fines that I am aware of.

Earlier this year it was "don't ask don't tell" but at this point lots of people I ride up the chairlift talk about how they didn't follow the restrictions.

A friend told me his nephew and a couple of his buddies were questioned / turned around one morning as a gas station just over the VT border on their way for a day trip skiing. No fine or anything like that, just told to turn around and go home.

 

[Zermatt]

A friend told me his nephew and a couple of his buddies were questioned / turned around one morning as a gas station just over the VT border on their way for a day trip skiing. No fine or anything like that, just told to turn around and go home.

Does anybody have direct evidence of this happening to them. I've yet to hear of any of this from the actual person. Same deal everytime...a "friend of a friend" or "I heard" or .....

 

[Zermatt]

Breaking News: Vermont travel restrictions are officially dead!

Since there is no national vaccine passport or way to prove you haven't been vaccinated then anybody can claim they have been vaccinated and visit Vermont.

 

[boston_e]

Does anybody have direct evidence of this happening to them. I've yet to hear of any of this from the actual person. Same deal everytime...a "friend of a friend" or "I heard" or .....

Has not happened to me, but as mentioned was a good friends nephew. I'd consider the source reliable.