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Vt dropping travel restrictions for people vaccinated effective Feb 23rd

jaywbigred

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My anecdotal experience is that the travel restrictions have had an impact. We usually get 30-40 ski days each (my wife and I) on 15-16 trips a year at Mt. Snow given our condo there. As a result of the travel restrictions (and the return restrictions in NJ too), I have not been up a single time this year. My wife has gone up with the kids 3x, but not skied, and only when all-virtual school allowed them to meet the quarantine restrictions. When she has done so, she has carted all of the food in with her so as not to visit a grocery store or restaurant.

Our friends from Boston who bought a condo as well have basically done the same. I think they've skied only 4 total days and only around holidays when they were off work/school and could meet the 7 days + test requirement. Pre-Covid, they'd ski every single weekend of the year and also take multiple weeks up there for vacation.

My uncle and aunt (also from NJ) who purchased up there have the same story, they went once at Christmas with a negative test when their girls were out of school for holiday break. Pre-Covid, they'd do 10+ trips a year.

My in-laws who squat at our place/my uncle's place, usually going midweek, have not been up at all either. 0 days. They usually go 8+ times a year.

My in-laws and my aunt and uncle are now fully vaxxed, so they will immediately be going for late season push. I get my first shot this Saturday so I am hoping for a late March/early April push to salvage my ski season, although I know waiting out the days between 1st shot-2nd shot-all clear will make it a little tight. Praying for some late season cold weather to extend the season.

But, all-in, the travel restrictions, and just generally not wanting to be the source of a Vermont outbreak, has kept this clan of 15 out of state skiers, and all our guests, out of Vermont until this point. And this ruling on allowing vaccinated persons in with no restrictions will impact at least 10 of those 15.
 

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WMV has a ton more CT cars in the lots this year.

We have 2 seasonal rentals on our street, that CT folks bid against each other to lock in.
Last year $12K for the season. This year they're willing to pay $15K

NH barely locked down/out anything, and their #'s aren't much worse than VT
 

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It sounds like there have been huge lines at places all winter, so I think that is the tale. Sure some are following the rules, certainly higher than 5%. However, its appears many have not. And guess what everything seems to be going just A OK.

I haven't made a trip because my wife has to go into the office once a week and therefore we can't follow the rules. That being said I was getting antsy and then I broke my collarbone. Still might be an April trip up north in my future...
 

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Trust me, nobody cares about the Vermont travel restrictions. It's our local state travel restrictions that are killing it for us. It's hard to go for a weekend when you have kids in school that would be violating our local travel rules.

I suspect CT will ease travel restrictions on 3/1 and VT will see a huge influx of skiers from CT who couldn't care less about the VT rules.
 

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Trust me, nobody cares about the Vermont travel restrictions. It's our local state travel restrictions that are killing it for us. It's hard to go for a weekend when you have kids in school that would be violating our local travel rules.

I suspect CT will ease travel restrictions on 3/1 and VT will see a huge influx of skiers from CT who couldn't care less about the VT rules.
Hopefully you are correct, and all the CT folks can return to VT rather than NH/ME
 

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Trust me, nobody cares about the Vermont travel restrictions. It's our local state travel restrictions that are killing it for us. It's hard to go for a weekend when you have kids in school that would be violating our local travel rules.

I suspect CT will ease travel restrictions on 3/1 and VT will see a huge influx of skiers from CT who couldn't care less about the VT rules.

Gov Lamont mentioned in his Monday COVID presser that he would have a travel restrictions update later this week.

Considering all Summer/Fall his quarantine basis for CT was states that have a higher than 10 positive per scaled to a 1,000,000 population rate, he should be removing a plethora of his travel restrictions very soon
 

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This is anecdotal, but my experience is the exact opposite. I skied one Friday at Windham and it was a shit show from a covid precaution standpoint. Parking lot filled to the brink. 30% mask compliance, huge lift lines that extended past the ropes so where it was past the ropes people were just on top of each other. Lifties were forcing people to join up on the six pack. One single on each side and a double in the middle. Granted, I've heard better stories from mid-week later in the season.

My experiences in VT have been the exact opposite. 99% mask compliance. Minimal lift lines. Ambassadors politely reminding the few unmasked to mask up. I've skied low double digit days in VT and have yet to ride the lift with a random person. Only with the people I've come with or alone.

That said, I'm glad you've had a great season in NY. As I've mentioned many times, I think Gore is fantastic and I'd rather go there than anywhere in SoVT.
One Friday at Windham is not statistically significant. I have heard others say that they visited Plattekill on a weekend and were appalled at the lack of mask wearing and distancing. But I've been to Platty a bunch this season and never saw any issue with people following restrictions.
I wear a mask to keep people quiet and off my back. It's not a difficult thing to do to ski. But I'm not concerned about getting sick and don't notice or care much what others do. So maybe I'm a bad judge of restriction following.
But others seems way too concerned about it so maybe that leads to reports of restriction flouting.
Has anyone heard of any major COVID outbreaks due to skiing? Not talking about apres skiing or restaurants or lodges, I'm talking about being outside skiing.
 

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One Friday at Windham is not statistically significant. I have heard others say that they visited Plattekill on a weekend and were appalled at the lack of mask wearing and distancing. But I've been to Platty a bunch this season and never saw any issue with people following restrictions.
I wear a mask to keep people quiet and off my back. It's not a difficult thing to do to ski. But I'm not concerned about getting sick and don't notice or care much what others do. So maybe I'm a bad judge of restriction following.
But others seems way too concerned about it so maybe that leads to reports of restriction flouting.
Has anyone heard of any major COVID outbreaks due to skiing? Not talking about apres skiing or restaurants or lodges, I'm talking about being outside skiing.
I don't think we have heard of any reports of outdoor skiing transmission.

But that still doesn't mean I want someone breathing on me without a mask the lift line on gondi.
 

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I don't think we have heard of any reports of outdoor skiing transmission.

But that still doesn't mean I want someone breathing on me without a mask the lift line on gondi.
I don't want people on top of me or breathing on me regardless of a pandemic.

My main complaint about COVID is that my nice quiet weekday skiing has been infected with tons of other skiers who now ski midweek because they WFH.

Really sucks!
 
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Ha ha...I was looking for more of a definite answer like yes or no.

So that "answer" isn't much of an answer to me. That's an "I don't know" at best.
The answer is "No, nobody knows".

As the saying goes "absence of evidence is not equal to evidence of absence".
 

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The answer is "No, nobody knows".

As the saying goes "absence of evidence is not equal to evidence of absence".
?

It's either "no" or "nobody knows".

Perhaps you mean "nobody no's"? Seems like nobody knows anything.
 

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Everybody is so desperate to find any "safe" place they can go, there's a strong bias to NOT FIND transmission cases. Unless the cases are staring us at the face, we pretend everywhere else is "safe".

That said, there's no question outdoor is safeR than indoor. No necessary "safe", but nonetheless "safer" than other options.
 

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Everybody is so desperate to find any "safe" place they can go, there's a strong bias to NOT FIND transmission cases. Unless the cases are staring us at the face, we pretend everywhere else is "safe".

That said, there's no question outdoor is safeR than indoor. No necessary "safe", but nonetheless "safer" than other options.
Safe is a state of mind. In reality nothing is safe.

Everything carries an inherent risk.
 
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