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Bumpsis
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I don't know if the vid gave any more info than the little write up, but this is looks like bunk to me. It's been a long time since I took basic physics, but this "unique" technology seems to be in direct violation of the 1st law of thermodynamics, conservation of energy.
What is this guy using to run the electrolysis reaction?
I'm kind of amazed that this stuff actually gets air play. Aren't news editors required to have a high school dyploma?
What is this guy using to run the electrolysis reaction?
I'm kind of amazed that this stuff actually gets air play. Aren't news editors required to have a high school dyploma?
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Not sure, but I thought it would make for good conversation :-DBumpsis said:
Marc
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It's a hoax.
The electrolosis of water has been around for a hundred years or more. That is nothing new.
The problem is, when you burn hydrogen, you're just creating water again. The combustion reaction goes like this:
Fuel + 02 = H20 + POC + Energy (net)
Normally we burn hydrocarbons, so the POC (products of combustion) in a complete combustion reaction would be carbon dioxide. Our gasoline cars are much more efficient today and with the use of catalytic converters, most of what is output is C02. Because it isn't a perfectly complete reaction we also get some sulfur oxides and nitrogen oxides some of which are filtered through the catalytic converter.
When you burn hydrogen, the combustion reaction turns into exactly the same as the electrolosis of water, just in reverse:
H2 + 02 = H20 + Energy (net)
So it's a circular process. Because of the second law of thermodynamics and the fact that all of our electrical and mechanical processes are much less than 100% effecient, there would still be a net loss, and more so than better alternatives to gasoline already under implimentation.
The electrolosis of water has been around for a hundred years or more. That is nothing new.
The problem is, when you burn hydrogen, you're just creating water again. The combustion reaction goes like this:
Fuel + 02 = H20 + POC + Energy (net)
Normally we burn hydrocarbons, so the POC (products of combustion) in a complete combustion reaction would be carbon dioxide. Our gasoline cars are much more efficient today and with the use of catalytic converters, most of what is output is C02. Because it isn't a perfectly complete reaction we also get some sulfur oxides and nitrogen oxides some of which are filtered through the catalytic converter.
When you burn hydrogen, the combustion reaction turns into exactly the same as the electrolosis of water, just in reverse:
H2 + 02 = H20 + Energy (net)
So it's a circular process. Because of the second law of thermodynamics and the fact that all of our electrical and mechanical processes are much less than 100% effecient, there would still be a net loss, and more so than better alternatives to gasoline already under implimentation.
ctenidae
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My favorite part is that he converts H2O to HHO. Making hydrogen hydroxide from dihydrogen monoxide is an amazing feat.
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Bumpsis said:
My question exactly.
LIke the hydrogen fueled cars that are soposed to save the world. Pissah! Oh. Wait! Where's the Hydrogen going to come from?
Water. Pissah!
How do we get the Hydrogen out of the water?
Energy.
Oh...
Marc
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Yeah, but energy is one thing this universe is not short on. The challenge is just a convenient and usable form for humans to overcome. I think it was Hawking that said theoretically intelligent life could sustain even at approaching infinite entropy, which for the case of energy, means all heat energy, the lowest form of energy (highest entropy).
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