What the heck is going on at Magic?

[VTKilarney]

That's disappointing and leads me to conclude that Magic will rely on Trick/Show Off, beginner area and tubing, until they get a dump and hence generate day ticket sales. Thereafter, maybe they will make snow on other trails. So once again its wait for a dump and then hit Magic. Assuming they can spin a lift that is. This pales in comparison to what I heard the approach of this past summers investor group was going to be.

Well, look at the bright side. The investor group waiting in the wings may be able to pick up Magic for a whole lot cheaper now.

 

[JamaicaMan]

Not sure if it is the same at Magic, but I know at other VT resorts, there are times, typically of high power demand, that Green Mountain Power (GMP) tells large users of electricity (and ski areas when they're making snow qualify as large users) that they need to power down for X number of hours. Additionally there are similar type times when GMP looks at a clients power consumption to base future rate determinations off of, and as a result larger power users, when they are made aware of these times, purposely scale back their use while the assessment period is happening. Whether or not this came into play at Magic or not in the last 24hrs I'm not sure, it is a reality though that GMP does put into play at certain times that DOES effect ski area operations

Good points but GMP had zero to do with this decision. Operator/minority owner decided against advice of his ops to move ELECTRIC fan guns from Show Off to Tube Park to blow that area all last night into today. Temps still good. Your race trail will need more work for next week and not a flake has been made above Show Off all season. And there has been plenty of cold nights at elevation prior to this week to make snow in piles at top (to preserve them) so that you are simply adding on as temps drop for lower elevation trails. The ownership apparently doesn't realize it's a ski area first and a bar 2nd (or maybe I have it wrong after all these years)


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[drjeff]

Good points but GMP had zero to do with this decision. Operator/minority owner decided against advice of his ops to move ELECTRIC fan guns from Show Off to Tube Park to blow that area all last night into today. Temps still good. Your race trail will need more work for next week and not a flake has been made above Show Off all season. And there has been plenty of cold nights at elevation prior to this week to make snow in piles at top (to preserve them) so that you are simply adding on as temps drop for lower elevation trails. The ownership apparently doesn't realize it's a ski area first and a bar 2nd (or maybe I have it wrong after all these years)


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I kind of figured it was more a management decision than a GMP imposed move when I hadn't heard of any of the other ski areas within a 20 mile or so radius of Magic having to power down Part of me though wanted to think that it was something realistically beyond their control vs something of their own doing... Ugh

 

[MMP]

Someone in magics office planning their production based on time critical power rate and availability information.


Ahahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhaha

Oh man, that's funny.




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[MMP]

I don't get it. Weren't people complaining earlier that the least the could do was open the tubing park? Maybe they saw that it wasn't possible to open the lifts so they decided to cut their losses and at least have tubing open. Then there are people that demanded to see snowgun pictures and birches about where they were placed. Then the inspection of red and complained about black. Not that these aren't all valid points and that there are issues, but at this point it seems there is no pleasing anyone without full snowmaking on the whole mountain followed by 2 feet of snow and brand new lifts and a management change and new lodge and you get the point.

I get it, there are real issues, but when half the mountains n VT aren't open for Christmas, can you really be mad magic isn't. There is no real difference this year and the last couple of years in the status of the mountain. The only difference is that they got really unlucky with the weather. They could change management and owners and still hve the same thing happen next year for Christmas. People ski magic for the great days and the loyals put up with the bad ones. While this is disappointing, how surprised can anyone really be?

People were talking about the tubing as a means to generate revenue over the holiday. Lodging, restaurants, etc.

Try to focus. Promises were made. Accountability and complaining are not equivalents.


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[yeggous]

Every time I have any complain about another mountain I read this thread and feel better. And I include Burke in that.


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[skifasttakechances]

That's disappointing and leads me to conclude that Magic will rely on Trick/Show Off, beginner area and tubing, until they get a dump and hence generate day ticket sales. Thereafter, maybe they will make snow on other trails. So once again its wait for a dump and then hit Magic. Assuming they can spin a lift that is. This pales in comparison to what I heard the approach of this past summers investor group was going to be.

Nailed it! The only way Magic survives is if management finally wakes up one day and realizes what a complete and utter failure they are!

 

[BlueTrails]

People were talking about the tubing as a means to generate revenue over the holiday. Lodging, restaurants, etc.

Try to focus. Promises were made. Accountability and complaining are not equivalents.


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Can't pay any bills or payroll on a few beers and hamburgs. The tube park is unique as it runs after dark. It is the best revenue option right now.

 

[VTKilarney]

It is the best revenue option right now.

That's only true because they have no skiing. And let's not forget the opportunity cost with all of the pass holders who will look elsewhere next year.

 

[yeggous]

Can't pay any bills or payroll on a few beers and hamburgs. The tube park is unique as it runs after dark. It is the best revenue option right now.

Yes. Cheap to open. Cheap to operate. Nearly as much per visit revenue. Smart business move.


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[cdskier]

Yes. Cheap to open. Cheap to operate. Nearly as much per visit revenue. Smart business move.

Perhaps smart in the short-term, but based on some of the comments here from pass-holders it could hurt them in the long term if pass-holders decide not to buy next year. Of course it could also start dumping snow soon and then many will forget all about these problems...

 

[VTKilarney]

Yes. Cheap to open. Cheap to operate. Nearly as much per visit revenue. Smart business move.


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But doesn't it draw a LOT less visitors than skiing would?

 

[drjeff]

Bottom line, Magic, if they can have the terrain open, has a group of typically 300 or so, scheduled to be there a week from Sunday for a Southern VT U12 age group dual GS race. That has to be looked at as a decent cash influx opportunity, between the ticket sales for racers and parents (even though they're not full price tickets) and food and beverage revenues.

As of now it's still on. I will be actively looking at my email inbox between now and next Wed when typically the final race decision is made...

 

[JamaicaMan]

With the decision to blow tubing area, they will not have enough time to blow an alternate lower mountain route down other than Show Off, so race revenue opportunity will be lost until later in the season I'm afraid. Tubing will bring in less than $2K on a non-holiday weekend. Revenue per visit doesn't even compare to skiing.

 

[Smellytele]

Bottom line, Magic, if they can have the terrain open, has a group of typically 300 or so, scheduled to be there a week from Sunday for a Southern VT U12 age group dual GS race. That has to be looked at as a decent cash influx opportunity, between the ticket sales for racers and parents (even though they're not full price tickets) and food and beverage revenues.

As of now it's still on. I will be actively looking at my email inbox between now and next Wed when typically the final race decision is made...

The 17th?

 

[yeggous]

But doesn't it draw a LOT less visitors than skiing would?

You tell me. I don't know the area. In my neck of the woods tubing at Cranmore is a cash cow.


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[69skier]

TB is living in a fantasy. The best thing is foreclosure of the mountain and have new owners come in. Agree that no way I will be purchasing season passes here with this nut in the drivers seat!

 

[UYSDYP]

It's nothing like the setup at cranmore. In terms of visits and course. It's decent non the less. Stopping is the tricky part though. Think rinkydink

 

[WWF-VT]

Bottom line, Magic, if they can have the terrain open, has a group of typically 300 or so, scheduled to be there a week from Sunday for a Southern VT U12 age group dual GS race. That has to be looked at as a decent cash influx opportunity, between the ticket sales for racers and parents (even though they're not full price tickets) and food and beverage revenues.

As of now it's still on. I will be actively looking at my email inbox between now and next Wed when typically the final race decision is made...

Dual Slalom course set up on the tubing hill sounds like way more fun than a downhill GS race. Racers could do one run on skis and the second run on a tube. This could be the beginning of a new Olympic sport.

 

[VTKilarney]

Everyone take a deep breath and remind yourself that even though they don't have skiing, they still have delicious smores.