What the heck is going on at Magic?

[PearlJam09]

Ok internet tough guy. I might write a letter to congress too.

Nothing tough about me. Just sitting here crocheting hats. You can write to whomever you want. Crayons are in the top drawer and I'm sure there's some construction paper around here somewhere.

 

[JamaicaMan]

Crocheting, crayons and construction paper...you really do not want to mess with PearlJam or his dangerous alliterations

 

[MMP]

He bakes bread too. Dude is hard fucking core.

 

[doublediamond]

So correct on this. People demanding answers like they are an investor or shareholder. They are a struggling business and do not have to answer to any of you. I understand the passion for the mountain but let it go, it is what it is. Let your wallet do the talking and ski somewhere else then they make no money, close, and are forced to sell.

Wrong.

They want our hard-earned money in pass sales/ticket sales. They answer to the public. The customer is always right.

 

[Freezingupnorth]

Right and wrong are subjective terms. Do they always get their way? Generally, they do if they piss and moan enough. If that doesn't work, than by all means let you wallet do the talking.

 

[Magic]

I think there are quite a few out there who are "shareholders", or did all of that money get returned.

Funny with all the drama surrounding this purchase, no one has even brought up the fact that JS is still on grounds there. Don't think he is still not in the mix somehow. BTW, not one dime of all that money has been accounted for.

 

[Do Work]

Wrong.

They want our hard-earned money in pass sales/ticket sales. They answer to the public. The customer is always right.

Oh the time will come when they will open up to the public. Until this deal either goes through or dies though, you aren't going to get much- not should you expect it. I realize the internet instant gratification lifestyle of entitlement makes you feel like all parties involved should call you daily to give you the full story but that simply isn't the case.

When the future is clear, statements will be released. Working yourself up before then is just going to stress you out unnecessarily though. I can't wait either but I'm trying to dial my expectation in with reality. Trust me, it helps.

 

[Do Work]

Funny with all the drama surrounding this purchase, no one has even brought up the fact that JS is still on grounds there. Don't think he is still not in the mix somehow. BTW, not one dime of all that money has been accounted for.

Lol. Yeah he is working at TimberQuest and helping with the race team. Jim has had 0 involvement in the office since he was replaced. Don't let me stop you from rocking a tinfoil hat though, it looks great on you!

 

[PearlJam09]

Oh the time will come when they will open up to the public. Until this deal either goes through or dies though, you aren't going to get much- not should you expect it. I realize the internet instant gratification lifestyle of entitlement makes you feel like all parties involved should call you daily to give you the full story but that simply isn't the case.

When the future is clear, statements will be released. Working yourself up before then is just going to stress you out unnecessarily though. I can't wait either but I'm trying to dial my expectation in with reality. Trust me, it helps.

I think that for most people the problem with waiting is that many of the other local mountains have pass price increases on 10/15 and we have had complete silence so far.

 

[Smellytele]

Oh the time will come when they will open up to the public. Until this deal either goes through or dies though, you aren't going to get much- not should you expect it. I realize the internet instant gratification lifestyle of entitlement makes you feel like all parties involved should call you daily to give you the full story but that simply isn't the case.

When the future is clear, statements will be released. Working yourself up before then is just going to stress you out unnecessarily though. I can't wait either but I'm trying to dial my expectation in with reality. Trust me, it helps.

I thought it was dead??? Is there still a chance it will happen?

 

[PearlJam09]

I thought it was dead??? Is there still a chance it will happen?

64,000 dollar question right there.

 

[MMP]

in one sense they announced the sale with great excitement, and then announced that the sale died in a whisper. It's like a page one indictment and a page 18 retraction. So while technically it isn't our business, they opened the door to the questions by including us in their plans (when they were positive).

 

[slatham]

So strange. Tom Walsh has posted on FB pictures of chairs being put on the line of the Red Chair, presumably post a successful inspection. Meanwhile, there is a tent set up by the Black Chair where work is being done on the grips and to fix the "swing" issue. And yet nothing from Magic itself? And that lack of communication - per a FB user post - will result in one, 5 person family buying passes elsewhere unless news comes out before pre-season passes increase at other mountains. Where there is one, there are others. And Magic can't afford to lose even one 5 member family! And yet all we hear are crickets......

 

[Sorcerer]

So strange. Tom Walsh has posted on FB pictures of chairs being put on the line of the Red Chair, presumably post a successful inspection. Meanwhile, there is a tent set up by the Black Chair where work is being done on the grips and to fix the "swing" issue. And yet nothing from Magic itself? And that lack of communication - per a FB user post - will result in one, 5 person family buying passes elsewhere unless news comes out before pre-season passes increase at other mountains. Where there is one, there are others. And Magic can't afford to lose even one 5 member family! And yet all we hear are crickets......

So far the Red Chair passed the NDT test (chair integrity, I think it is). Other items have been completed but the final tests can't be done until the power to the chair is turned on later in October. Everything is expected to be ok based on current status. I think there haven't been any posts because some negotiations are still going on - a guess- or the person who posts is on vacation-not a guess.

 

[PearlJam09]

So far the Red Chair passed the NDT test (chair integrity, I think it is). Other items have been completed but the final tests can't be done until the power to the chair is turned on later in October. Everything is expected to be ok based on current status. I think there haven't been any posts because some negotiations are still going on - a guess- or the person who posts is on vacation-not a guess.

Wait a minute here. You're telling me that the reason for complete radio silence on the part of management is because the only person in the world who creates posts for their Alpine Update, Facebook, twitter, etc is on vacation, and in this day and age, while on vacation, has no access to a telephone to tell someone else how to do it? That seems like a reach even for you. Nearly two-thirds of American adults have smartphones, and there are thousands of places with free wifi if you can't seem to get service.

One would think that if the current management is going to be operating this season that they would want to get information out about season passes before all of their customers buy elsewhere since prices are going up in the next 10-15 days.

Totally seems like the scene from My Cousin Vinny when he shows up to court in the purple suit. "The whole store has the flu."

 

[steamboat1]

I thought it was dead??? Is there still a chance it will happen?

 

[Sorcerer]

Wait a minute here. You're telling me that the reason for complete radio silence on the part of management is because the only person in the world who creates posts for their Alpine Update, Facebook, twitter, etc is on vacation, and in this day and age, while on vacation, has no access to a telephone to tell someone else how to do it? That seems like a reach even for you. Nearly two-thirds of American adults have smartphones, and there are thousands of places with free wifi if you can't seem to get service.

One would think that if the current management is going to be operating this season that they would want to get information out about season passes before all of their customers buy elsewhere since prices are going up in the next 10-15 days.

Totally seems like the scene from My Cousin Vinny when he shows up to court in the purple suit. "The whole store has the flu."

I gave 2 reasons and neither one is a reach. Although the outside operations people are fully staffed, the inside isn't. I think they are trying to save money to make snow (I know, if they don't get the people, they won't need snow). That is why I want the sale to happen. The mountain needs fresh money invested and some technocrats but in the meantime it needs to get ready for winter.

 

[Sorcerer]

This was posted on ttyhe Magic Facebook page:
There have been some questions about the status of Magic and more specifically the Black Lift and the potential sale that didn't materialize. That said, the ownership that has owned Magic for over the last 10 years is still in place. I have done a bit of research and have done a lot of walking around and up to the top of Magic. I think the mountain is in as good shape for this time of year as it's been. All the beginner and intermediate trails (all that a mower can cut) and parts of some expert trails have already been cut. The pipe at the top of the chute on Wizard that was cracked last year has been replaced. There is a new rock work road up the mountain that was put in for the wireless towers but benefits the winter operations. The full operations crew has been working all summer.
Regarding the lift question, I am told that the State of Vermont checks all lifts continuously to assure absolute safe operations of the lifts. Magic’s operations crew works well with the inspector and recognizes that he brings lots of experience in maintaining lifts to the mountain. The lift inspector does not just show up for inspection day, he is at the mountain several times a month and any time something significant is being done.
Both chairs have passed NDT tests (something that tests the integrity of the grips) in which 20% of the chairs are inspected each year. Operators tell me a specialist will be in next week to fix a seal on the Red Chair that has a small leak. The Red chair is in the inspection process and it looks like it will be ready for completion in the middle of October when the power for the lifts it turned back on. Currently, a significant effort is underway to repair deficiencies in the Black Chair that resulted from the conversion from a double to a triple about 1990. First there were some broken cotter pins which allowed some chairs to slip. The problem was found to be caused by the rub rail on the base drive station. When the chair was converted, nobody adjusted the rub rail for wider chairs. That was fixed and the motion of the chairs stopped pulling on the cotter pins. Two years ago the lift inspector observed that some chairs were not swinging freely. A study revealed that when the chairs were converted to triples, they replaced bronze bearings in the head with polyimide greaseless bearings and removed the grease fitting. With greaseless bearings no lubrication was being supplied to the chair head to grip flats as the polyimide became less “slippery”. The solution, which has been discussed at length with the Professional Engineer supervising the repair, the lift inspector and Magic operations, is to replace the polyimide bushing with sintered bushings and to install new grease fittings in all the chairs. Magic’s operation crew is now well along in replacing the polyimide bushings with metal. As this work is being done, the state inspector is overlooking the repair.
It looks like the mountain will be ready to open as usual with both the Red and Black chairs running.

 

[doublediamond]

from the conversion from a double to a triple about 1990.

1985

And how can a minority owner hold up a sale? If there's two people, the majority owner has all the power.

 

[Sorcerer]

1985

And how can a minority owner hold up a sale? If there's two people, the majority owner has all the power.

Because the purchasers want all or nothing - nothing like buying most of something and letting the minority owner benefit from the investment while doing and investing nothing additional

1985 sounds right :wink: