Edd
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Over the years unofficial estimates I've heard have often put the Cat's ticket sales below smaller, less impressive mountains.
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Wildcat behind the pack this year
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At least Wildcat's debt is on somewhat of a repayment plan. The Crotched, Attitash, and Mount Snow debt service is interest-only at a 10% rate.
Wildcat's revenue and skier visits is just about the lowest of any Peak Resorts area, including all those little hills. If you normalize those numbers to a per diem rate (dividing by the length of the season), it's not even a contest for the bottom spot.
Wildcat is also much more dependent on pass holders than most mountains. Their effective ticket price (revenue / total visits) is about $24, compared to $39 for Mt Snow and $35 for Attitash.
Wildcat's revenue and skier visits is just about the lowest of any Peak Resorts area, including all those little hills. If you normalize those numbers to a per diem rate (dividing by the length of the season), it's not even a contest for the bottom spot.
Wildcat is also much more dependent on pass holders than most mountains. Their effective ticket price (revenue / total visits) is about $24, compared to $39 for Mt Snow and $35 for Attitash.
Wildcat has always been pretty quiet. Those numbers are from previous years. This years drops are relative to those.
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St. Bear
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Oh man, that's even worse.
VTKilarney
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According to their marketing manager, they had over 100,000 paid skier visits during the 2009/2010 season. He does not mention if that has ever been duplicated. (see: http://www.linkedin.com/in/thomasprindle )
Some comparisons for the 2009/2010 year:
Cannon: 103,387
Waterville Valley: 169,830
Mad River Glen: 74,658
It's interesting to see that they were neck and neck with Cannon. Both are farther north than the majority of areas in their region. Both are susceptible to wind and cold.
Some comparisons for the 2009/2010 year:
Cannon: 103,387
Waterville Valley: 169,830
Mad River Glen: 74,658
It's interesting to see that they were neck and neck with Cannon. Both are farther north than the majority of areas in their region. Both are susceptible to wind and cold.
St. Bear
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103k sounds really low for Cannon. Wildcat does have North Conway nearby, but in terms of day trippers, Cannon pulls from a far greater population. Wildcat is at least an hour further from all of Mass and the vast majority of NH.
For 2010-2011, Wildcat had 77,100, Attitash 142,600, Crotched 104,200, and Mt Snow 466,200.
Wildcat's number can be crazy variable. For example, 2012-2013 was up 87% over the non-winter of 2011-2012.
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Wildcat's number can be crazy variable. For example, 2012-2013 was up 87% over the non-winter of 2011-2012.
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yeggous - do you have recent skier visit numbers for Bretton Woods and Cranmore?
For 2010-2011: BW 192,000 and Cranmore 118,000.
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MadMadWorld
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How about a couple of those redundant chairlifts over at Attitash. What a waste.
St. Bear
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What was the first year under Peak? 2010?
I used to go to Wildcat at least 3 or 4 times a year before they were bought because they had some really good deals. I've only been twice since they were bought because a lot of the desks have gone away. I'll grant that the past year or two has been better than the first couple, but still, I can't be the only one.
I used to go to Wildcat at least 3 or 4 times a year before they were bought because they had some really good deals. I've only been twice since they were bought because a lot of the desks have gone away. I'll grant that the past year or two has been better than the first couple, but still, I can't be the only one.
Right before the 2010-2011 season. I think the post purchase bounce was the main reasons numbers didn't plunge 2011-2012.
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You know, when you look at those numbers, Wildcat probably has the potential to be the most profitable percentage wise of those areas during the ski season. They have vastly less infrastructure, snowmaking expenditures and the staff required to operate everything. Only 1 base lodge and 3 lifts spinning most of the season compared to far more lifts and services at the other areas.
If they get their snowmaking house in order, they obviously have the terrain to close the skier visit gap against other areas in the MWV.
Edd
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Just one reason why they rule during spring. One lift can essentially serve the entire mountain.
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Thank you for the info, sounds like the really depend on their season pass holders, hope they get it together, interesting the previous owner finance the place, I am sure he doesn't want it back. I am hoping Cranmore will buy it????
Edd
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I would not bet on that. Although Cranmore and Wildcat would make an interesting pass.
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I suspect that Peak Resorts will sooner burn the place to the ground then sell Wildcat to a company with another holding near North Conway. To do so would be disastrous for Attitash.
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Has there ever been a full MWV pass? BW, Cranmore, Black, Attitash and Wildcat all on the same pass?
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