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You’re out of Control

campgottagopee

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I can tell you that I constantly ski groomers in the 35-50mph range, up to 60mph fairly often, and over 70mph on occasion. Yes, this is on a normal, groomed slope, in normal ski clothes. However, it's on long, metal-laminate skis, and a black/double black trail.

:puke::spin::-o
 

hardline

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last winter i found my average speed to be about 35mph. on big open groomers 50 seems to be about normal. when you start laying trenches at those speeds the g's are amazing. nothing like having your chest inches off the snow at that speed.
 
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last winter i found my average speed to be about 35mph. on big open groomers 50 seems to be about normal. when you start laying trenches at those speeds the g's are amazing. nothing like having your chest inches off the snow at that speed.

There are a few snowboarders on carving set-ups with hardboots at Blue mountain who are simply amazing to watch..they take getting low to a whole new level...I love G forces from a hard carve on hardpack or cord...and it's cool to do it right under the lift so you can look at the railroad tracks on the way up..
 

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Very well put.

With few exceptions (such as a closed race course), anytime you can not stop within the terrain that is visible to you, you are skiing out of control. You are on terrain and/or you are going at a speed that is beyond your ability. That's worse than being a gaper.

Think about it. What if the stationary object beyond your view on the expert trail isn't a clueless gaper? What if it's an injured skier? Is there any question whose fault it is when you run into him/her then?

People do have a right to take their time on terrain that may be difficult for them. Everyone has to learn, and one of the ways that people learn is to challenge themselves on terrain that is beyond their comfort zone. That doesn't mean they have the right to stop in a blind spot; but they are entitled to some slack if they are trying their best to make their way down the slope. It is your responsibility, as a more skilled skier, to get by them in a safe manner.

Skiing fast is not the sign of an expert. Skiing blind is not the sign of an expert.

An expert is someone who can choose the best line down a challenging slope, and use the appropriate speed and techniques for the situation and conditions. Experts do take risks, and they do make mistakes. But an expert doesn't purposely put other people in danger; which is what you do when you ski an inbounds resort trail at a speed where you cannot avoid a potential collision with an unseen person.

I use to be a groomer at the K. A buddy of mine and me groomed bear mt. We would lay down some nice track. First runs after the A.M. shift was done. We would see who could take the least amount of turns going down Wildfire and Bear Claw. It amazed me sometimes. We knew the trail how it was groomed and nobody was on it. I had a pair of 215's my rocket boards. Fun but safety was first.
To the original post totaly agree with all. As i've gotten older speed has been reduced. My challange is skiing the side of the trails. From the tree line out about 15 ft. Ducking into the trees and back on again enjoying the skiied up stuff being thrown to the sides. There is a way to enjoy this sport safely.
PLEASE SKI UNDER CONTROL ANYWHERE
 

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There are a few snowboarders on carving set-ups with hardboots at Blue mountain who are simply amazing to watch..they take getting low to a whole new level...I love G forces from a hard carve on hardpack or cord...and it's cool to do it right under the lift so you can look at the railroad tracks on the way up..

since i come from a racing background its really the only way i know how to ride. all the little jib honks this past winter asked me how the hell i can get so low and turn so tight in soft boots. i started teaching some of the kids that live near my lake house how important carving is and how will let you keep your speed in check on steep trails. in a year or two they maybe ready to start riding some of the stuff at stowe. mini ripers in the woods. dope
 
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just like Al Gore invented the internet :roll:

Seriously..I came up with the term Jibhonk based on PASRs Jibophonic..before then they were called Jibsters and Park Rats..I over-used the term enough that people are starting to use it more and more. While we're at it..I'll explain Smartstyle for those who use the park. Smartstyle is the park version of the Skiers Responsibility code..not to be confused with a haircut chain.. http://www.smartstyle.com

An Orange Oval represents freestyle terrain...If you are colorblind..look for an oval and kids with baggy clothes. Here are the 4 main smartstyle concepts.

MAKE A PLAN
Every time you use freestyle terrain, make a plan for each feature you want to use. Your speed, approach and take off will directly affect your maneuver and landing.
LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP
Scope around the jumps first, not over them. Know your landings are clear and clear yourself out of the landing area. Call your drop in several different languages and sign language.
EASY STYLE IT
Start small and work your way up. (Inverted aerials not recommended).
RESPECT GETS RESPECT
From the lift line through the park...to the cafeteria to the parking lot to the airport to the internet to the road and especially when scoping out some big dawg booters..with a poppy lit and a mad crispy landing. All the Boarder-chicks and skier-babes will want to learn about Smartstyle in your mad steezy Hummer H2 parked in the handicapped spot..Remember to help control the pet population..have your pet spayed or neutered..and remember to hug a ski patroller..
 
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Seriously..I came up with the term Jibhonk based on PASRs Jibophonic..before then they were called Jibsters and Park Rats..I over-used the term enough that people are starting to use it more and more. While we're at it..I'll explain Smartstyle for those who use the park. Smartstyle is the park version of the Skiers Responsibility code..not to be confused with a haircut chain.. http://www.smartstyle.com

An Orange Oval represents freestyle terrain...If you are colorblind..look for an oval and kids with baggy clothes. Here are the 4 main smartstyle concepts.

MAKE A PLAN
Every time you use freestyle terrain, make a plan for each feature you want to use. Your speed, approach and take off will directly affect your maneuver and landing.
LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP
Scope around the jumps first, not over them. Know your landings are clear and clear yourself out of the landing area. Call your drop in several different languages and sign language.
EASY STYLE IT
Start small and work your way up. (Inverted aerials not recommended).
RESPECT GETS RESPECT
From the lift line through the park...to the cafeteria to the parking lot to the airport to the internet to the road and especially when scoping out some big dawg booters..with a poppy lit and a mad crispy landing. All the Boarder-chicks and skier-babes will want to learn about Smartstyle in your mad steezy Hummer H2 parked in the handicapped spot..Remember to help control the pet population..have your pet spayed or neutered..and remember to hug a ski patroller..

Only two more posts and you're at 6969...maybe you ought to ask greg to freeze it there...a little freezy for steezy pleazee.
 

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Let's just say I've tried to keep up with GSS on Blue's (Challenge and Razor's) where he points them straight and I felt the need to speed check a few times. I'm not the best skier on here by any means, but I don't suck either and there is no way I would feel comfortable at the speeds he is capable of skiing comfortably. When it comes to speed and control... he has it. (Oh crap I just pumped his ego up even more)
 
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