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VAIL SUCKS
- Thread starter thebigo
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Solitude Express is Okemo, not Snow.
Its okay. Its fairly unreasonable for us to expect Vail to be well versed about their East Coast assets.
Its okay. Its fairly unreasonable for us to expect Vail to be well versed about their East Coast assets.
kbroderick
Active member
As far as fixed-grip lifts go, I'm not convinced. Plenty of smaller, independent ski areas run chairs that are on the older side and manage to keep them in good repair.What the heck is the "solitude express" at Mount Snow? I've got probably 1000 days on the hill at Mount Snow and never ridden that lift before
100% agree that Vail, and many other resort operators have lots of lifts, both high speed and fixed grip, that are very likeky nearing the end of their predictable, functional lifespan and will need replacement sooner than later
Early generation detachables seem to be a bit more questionable. The technology wasn't mature, there are a lot more moving parts, and things have changed more rapidly, which I'd expect to adversely affect parts availability.
On the plus side, the worst of the early detachables are no longer operating in the US (or in most parts of the world).
The infamous 1988 Yan/Poma Cannibalized Barker Quad still lives on at Pleasant Mt (Shawnee Peak)
No. That lift is the old Jordan HSQ.
Zand
Well-known member
I believe the only 4 Yan converts left in New England are Snowshed at K, both HSQs at Pico, and Grand Summit at Mount Snow. Showshed and Pico summit are the only two left with the old chairs.
OOps. Thanx
kbroderick
Active member
And none of those are as ornery as the Barker conversion was, correct?
But more to the point, there are zero Yan detachable mechanisms in use in the US, and either zero or close to it worldwide. That one did not stand the test of time.
The Wildcat Express is 29 years old , installed in 1997
jimmywilson69
Well-known member
Vail doesn't think they own that one...
oldfartrider
Active member
L
wildcat rope and chairs were replaced a few years ago
machski
Well-known member
And I believe they have also incrementally replaced the terminal gear as well.
machski
Well-known member
No, they all have had Poma conversions. Barker and SS originally had the most extensive conversions, including having the terminal skins switched out to Poma skins and full on Poma chairs (albeit with specialized hangars to match the terminal skeleton heights). I think over the years, Grand Summit at Mount Snow has had more and more conversins including adding a loading carpet I believe. But at the core of the structures, it is still Yan and things like tensioning systems, etc, are Yan specific on all of them. Thus, those parts wear out, they are not availabe off the shelf and have to be fabricated on request.
I should note that is for the old Yan Detaches in the East. Out west, most were converted by Dopp and those seem to have ghad far fewer issues than the Poma conversions out east. At that time, Garaventa was still separate from Dopp and they did a few conversions out west as well. Carpenter Express at DV comes to mind.
SkiingInABlueDream
Active member
I'm gonna be sad when the Pico summit chair eventually gets replaced. Those teardrop shaped chairs are so unique.
Yeah. I like the tear drop look too
"Maximizing revenue. That is a good idea! Did you all hear about my new Chief Revenue Officer? She used to work for Lululemon!"
oldfartrider
Active member
Wow nice pay and bonus!
ctdubl07
Active member
I still think Bobby’s going to start to shed all the Mickey Mouse hills that were bought along the way, mostly with Peaks.
Talk about aging infrastructures and likely needed investment mixed with ever worsening snow seasons and general operational expenses, manpower, etc. Deferred upkeep leads to longer term costs or safety liabilities. Just dump them to local investors for quick cash.
Pass sales are declining and the initial rational/thought/strategy these locals would feed trips out into the larger portfolio, is likely played out.
Talk about aging infrastructures and likely needed investment mixed with ever worsening snow seasons and general operational expenses, manpower, etc. Deferred upkeep leads to longer term costs or safety liabilities. Just dump them to local investors for quick cash.
Pass sales are declining and the initial rational/thought/strategy these locals would feed trips out into the larger portfolio, is likely played out.
I didn't realize that they had a Food & Beverage Dept....."Maximizing revenue. That is a good idea! Did you all hear about my new Chief Revenue Officer? She used to work for Lululemon!"
