Mittersill Photos (September 2010)

[Cannonball]

Don't regret it, man! Just because we prefer something different than other folks does not make us selfish no more than other folks are selfish from wanting a lift even though they know it destroys a unique experience unlike almost any where else in New England. If that is selfish, color me indifferent about those that don't enjoying hiking a few minutes for turns.

8)

Thanks for the backup. I only mean that I regret getting into an online debate. The time could be better spent getting my gear and body ready for the first turns.

See you in the trees.

 

[Anklebiter]

All I gotta say is that with 8 pages of posts, I'd better see a lot of Cannon TR's this season!


p.s., what is the old Mittersill base lodge used for these days?

Mittersill Base Lodge is Timeshare.

We used it last winter and had a great time. I had no problem getting a unit. This year different story. We can't get week their, so we booked over at Attitash.

 

[Anklebiter]

The lodge is a Time share hotel/resort now

We stayed there last season and had a great time. Unfortunately, Mittersill was close the week we were their.

 

[skiberg]

Skier visits will not increase and revenue will probably stay flat. But, Cannon is part of a State park. It is not just a money making venture it is also a service to tax payers. it's revenue covers a lot of the costs but not all.

 

[threecy]

Skier visits will not increase and revenue will probably stay flat. But, Cannon is part of a State park. It is not just a money making venture it is also a service to tax payers. it's revenue covers a lot of the costs but not all.

A service to taxpayers? One discount weekday per week, and a season pass discount? Otherwise, if you're a taxpayer that can't get out of work during the week or enough to justify a season pass, you're stuck paying roughly the same as any other ski area its size.

2009-2010 lift ticket rates (not all areas have announced yet, but Cannon's is going up to $67)

2009-2010.........Weekend.......Midweek
Attitash.............69.................62
Black................39.................29
Bretton Woods...74.................66
Cannon..............66.................66
Cranmore...........55.................55
Gunstock...........66.................56
Sunapee............68.................64
Waterville...........67.................67
Wildcat..............65.................65

 

[deadheadskier]

we get it threecy. your $2 in tax money is more important to you than the cheap season passes many passionate NH skiers enjoy.

in other news, demolition begun this week on the 14.5M Hampton Beach State Park renovation.

 

[threecy]

your $2 in tax money is more important to you than the cheap season passes many passionate NH skiers enjoy.

That's a ridiculous statement and you know it.

 

[CollegeKid]

I second that John Devivo has accomplished a great amount during his duration with Cannon. The ski area has noticeably improved in all facets under his leadership. I think most people would agree that John has not only benefited us as guests but also internally inside the company as well. It is great to see Cannon trending upward and continuing to generate excitement! They are investing heavily which creates jobs and they continue to offer a better product.

 

[Tin Woodsman]

Skier visits will not increase and revenue will probably stay flat. But, Cannon is part of a State park. It is not just a money making venture it is also a service to tax payers. it's revenue covers a lot of the costs but not all.

Actually, I'd be quite surprised if Cannon's skier visits didn't increase substantially over the next 5 years or so, in large part due to the higher profile generated by bringing Mittersill into the fold officially.

 

[skiberg]

The biggest reason I do not think they will increase is that sking is absolutely flat.It is NOT a growing industry. We are not getting any new skiers and that includes snowboarding. The annual visits for the country as a whole are the same and have been for years. The only way Cannon will get new visitst is if they steal from B Woods. That will not happen. Those are entirely differnet types of skiers. Loon. You might get some from Loon but they are undergoing a huge expansion as well. B wood is planning a massive expansion but who knows if that will happen. If it does you may get more people to the general area of Lincoln/Littleton. Cannon will probably be left to compete for the typical day skier and most of those people are more happy at Wville and Sunapee.

 

[deadheadskier]

That's a ridiculous statement and you know it.

what?

project is 2.6 mil. 1.3 million residents in nh. It cost you $2 as an individual

want to join me this weekend picketing down at Hampton Beach. That one stings me a bit more. Cost me more like $7. The state owes me lunch

 

[EPB]

A service to taxpayers? One discount weekday per week, and a season pass discount? Otherwise, if you're a taxpayer that can't get out of work during the week or enough to justify a season pass, you're stuck paying roughly the same as any other ski area its size.

Have you considered moving to Maine? They don't waste money on double chairlifts.

 

[deadheadskier]

You know what will really piss me off? NH damn well better be installing used crappers in the new bathhouses at Hampton Beach. Slap a new O ring and seat on a used one and it will work just fine.

 

[CollegeKid]

I am not sure of my exact stance on Cannon in regards to ownership or what the right solution would be. However, I fully support New Hampshire tax payers giving $2 up in order to create immediate jobs as well as work towards the betterment and growth of the resort.

If the resort can maximize its potential, it will make more money, invest, and grow. The people who rely on the mountain for employment will benefit. It does not make sense to stifle the growth potential of the mountain. I believe Cannon offers a unique product and culture.

 

[Tin Woodsman]

what?

project is 2.6 mil. 1.3 million residents in nh. It cost you $2 as an individual

want to join me this weekend picketing down at Hampton Beach. That one stings me a bit more. Cost me more like $7. The state owes me lunch

Actually, when you factor in the price for the used chair that threecy would have loved to sell to Cannon, the incremental cost to the taxpayer is far less than $2.6MM - probably half of that amount.

 

[threecy]

Actually, I'd be quite surprised if Cannon's skier visits didn't increase substantially over the next 5 years or so, in large part due to the higher profile generated by bringing Mittersill into the fold officially.

Quantify "substantially"

what?

project is 2.6 mil. 1.3 million residents in nh. It cost you $2 as an individual

There aren't 1.3 million taxpayers in New Hampshire.

Also, the project isn't $2.6 million - that only covers the chairlift installation. The number being floated right now is $4 million to get Mittersill open this January.

I am not sure of my exact stance on Cannon in regards to ownership or what the right solution would be. However, I fully support New Hampshire tax payers giving $2 up in order to create immediate jobs as well as work towards the betterment and growth of the resort.

How many jobs are being created? What do they pay? The overhead and variable costs are going up, yes, but what kind of jobs are being created?

The people who rely on the mountain for employment will benefit. It does not make sense to stifle the growth potential of the mountain.

If Cannon were leased, the people who "rely" on the mountain would see a large local infusion of cash, as the ski area today is not taxable. Sunapee, on the other hand, generates large sums of local taxes.

 

[CollegeKid]

If Cannon were leased, the people who "rely" on the mountain would see a large local infusion of cash, as the ski area today is not taxable. Sunapee, on the other hand, generates large sums of local taxes.[/QUOTE]

I absolutely agree with you that leasing the mountain would provide a better situation. Since that has not happened yet, I feel it is important to continue to reinvest not matter what entity owns it.

 

[Smellytele]

Please change the name of this thread so I stop looking in here for photos and only here bee-atches whinning at each other.

 

[threecy]

Since that has not happened yet, I feel it is important to continue to reinvest not matter what entity owns it.

I'm not sure if anyone has posted against reinvesting in Cannon. The word 'reinvest' implies taking proceeds from the operation and using them to maintain or improve it. The Mittersill project is taking net new tax dollars and expanding the size and scope of the ski area.

A $2.6M or $4M investment in the existing ski area would have gone a lot further - especially if it were spent on snowmaking.

Unless we end up in some sort of massive snow pattern in coming years, Cannon has not seen it's last season of operating in the red. The Mittersill project will do little to nothing to alter that.

 

[Tin Woodsman]

Quantify "substantially"

Greater than 15%. In a market that's pretty flattish overall, that's pretty substantial.