MadMadWorld
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This should get people worked up...discuss
http://www.adventure-journal.com/2011/12/deadlier-avalanches-blame-global-warming/
http://www.adventure-journal.com/2011/12/deadlier-avalanches-blame-global-warming/
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I am just sick of this. Who funded the research is my first question?
And everything causes cancer! When a rat just ingests huge amounts of a substance!
Duh!
Funny how people get all up in arms about no science behind global warming...
But will support hyrdo-fracking with even LESS information on how it affects the environment...
We are fighting fracking in the Catskills now...
The hypocrisy is deafening...
Really proves that they are ALL about $$ and not actually caring for our world...
Still on my ignore list but I'm sure I know what you said...
We are fighting fracking in the Catskills now...
This whole thing just pisses me off!
I don't blame global warming for deadlier avalanches as much as I blame GoPro's/Contours and Youtube
What exactly are you "fighting" per se?
You have nothing to be pissed off about, this one ends poorly for the environmental extremist crowd, and it's the most predictable of outcomes. Natural gas is the future of America, regardless of who likes it or who doesn't like it. Build or add to positions in these companies now.
Clarify, I am pissed off on how the media sensationalizes things.
I am just sick of this. Who funded the research is my first question?
Right! I think everyone is on the same page with that one. But that's not where you started in this thread. You said:
But just as you eventually came around to say...this is about media sensationalization NOT about the research. This research paper is about a small-scale laboratory experiment that looks at the physics of particle interactions for slides. It's the media that makes the leap to global warming connections. I think based on your last post I think you personally get that. But what happens is that everyone has a knee-jerk reaction about poor science, misplaced funding, etc. Science gets the bad rap for media hype.
I agree, but one does need to look at the funding on the research. It is a sad state that has to be looked at. It corrupts the scientific results.
Sure. It can. But there isn't much reason to think that in this case. Here's the summary. Seems like a reasonable thing to study and not really something worth "corrupting". Also doesn't appear to have anything to do with GW. That's the media's spin.....
"This Letter describes an investigation of interfacial melting in ice-bearing granular flows. It is proposed that energy associated with granular collisions causes melting at an ice particle’s surface, which can thus occur at temperatures well below freezing. A laboratory experiment has been designed that allows quantification of this process and its effect on the dynamics of a granular shear flow of ice spheres. This experiment employs a rotating drum, half filled with ice particles, situated in a temperature controlled laboratory. Capillary forces between the wetted melted particle surfaces lead to the clumping of particles and enhanced flow speeds, in turn leading to further melting. Dimensional analysis defines a parameter space for further experimentation."
I agree, but one does need to look at the funding on the research. It is a sad state that has to be looked at. It corrupts the scientific results.
In all reputable science journal, conflicts of interests have to be disclosed. The real danger of corruption of scientific research occurs when private companies sponsor research. One has to be extra critical of studies funded by pharmaceutical companies or oil and gas companies. You seem to think that there is a conspiracy with respect to climate change. Most of the climate change research in the US and in Canada is funded by the government, and both governments are not very climate change friendly (even Obama who is big on talk). There is some industry money on climate change research, but it is not agenda-based. There is however quite a bit of agenda-based industry money in pseudo climate research. And yet the consensus in Climate change is very strong.
Similarly, you seem to have a very black and white view of fracking. Which is not surprising if it is based on movies like gasland and fracknation. You should spend a bit more time reading serious scientific literature instead. You would rapidly find out that there is a scientific consensus as to the serious potential dangers to water table contamination, and that, despite of the fact that most of the money in the hand of the gas industry.
I will agree that the medias do a very poor job. But your climate change and fracking rants do not raise the debate any higher.