People Wearing Helmets Wrong

[drjeff]

I try to avoid buzzing people, and generally keep my distance. The only time I'll buzz someone is if I need speed for a flat section and I have no choice but to cruise by them. Sorry, but I'm not going to have to unstrap and skate because someone or some group slowed way down and blocked up the trail. In that case I feel it's them that are being discourteous to me. Riders don't have the luxury of poles to push themselves around. That being said, when the situation allows and I can see traffic in the flat area, I'll stop at the top of the run in and wait for it to clear out. But I can't wait all day, and you can be sure no one is going to do me the courtesy of letting me go by so sometimes I gotta be a jerk and just go.

"Buzzing" people is another subjective issue....
Beginners and those that choose to protect them will shout the loudest..

Just remember, regardless of how rude or clueless or inconsiderate that group of people IN FRONT of you may be, if you're over taking them, it's YOUR job to both stay out of their way and also be ready for them to make a sudden change in their direction as you're approaching them. They have the right of way.

If it's a busy spot on the hill, then maybe some walking or skating at those busy times IS the proper call for all parties on the hill. Is it perfect, nope. But it sure beats the increased potential of a collision :idea:

 

[C-Rex]

I'm just saying, if I pass someone kinda close at speed, that is when it happens. I'm always prepared to stop or use evasive maneuvers, especially if its kids. But if people get mad at me because I went by kinda close and fast in that situation, too bad. Leave some room if you don't want people doing that.

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[dmc]

Do they have the total right of way?
Can they just change direction on a crowded slope and not be at fault?
If they come in from my side - whose fault is it?

I get it - I've only hit someone ONCE.. And he came in from my side... Even ski patrol said there's was nothing I could do while he whined like a baby about the "downhill skier"... Allow me to highlight as you did...

EVERYONE needs to pay attention...

 

[drjeff]

Do they have the total right of way?
Can they just change direction on a crowded slope and not be at fault?
If they come in from my side - whose fault is it?

I get it - I've only hit someone ONCE.. And he came in from my side... Even ski patrol said there's was nothing I could do while he whined like a baby about the "downhill skier"... Allow me to highlight as you did...

EVERYONE needs to pay attention...

Agree 110%

All that i'm trying to say, is that whatever logic one is using to justify their speed and/or closeness of passing someone, if the unfortunate happens and a collision occurs, would the logic the person doing the passing used, potentially hold up in court in front of a judge/jury? If the answer is "no" then, maybe the person looking to do the passing might want to rethink the "importance" of trying to make that pass, at close range in the 1st place.

By no means am I saying that passing should never occur on the slopes! But I think that we all know that the situations that we're thinking of tend to involve either crowded intersections or crowded, flatter terrain or even when you have a group stopped near, but not at the side of a trail and one choose to ski/ride between than stopped person/group and the side of the trail, those type of situations. The type of scenarios where we may already be thinking about slowing down and/or trying to take a path that brings you further away from that downhill person(s) that are in the general way of the line that you'd ideally want to take.

No different than when you're driving a car and you see a TIGHT opening to merge into traffic and you have the "choice" to either try and squeeze in and likely cut someone off or you could wait a bit for a larger opening that likely wouldn't affect anyone else....

Plenty of folks on AZ are incredibly passionate about our downhill snow sliding! And as such we almost become ambassadors of it. If we can't set a "good" example, then maybe we should rethink things a bit

 

[dmc]

Beginners think they need more space than needed - until they get over that they need to stay on beginner trails...

Beginners on advance trails need to understand that things will get tight and need to learn to not freak out....

Intermediates are even worse and feel more entitled...

 

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[Nick]

We all know you are awesome :lol:

 

[Glenn]

Can't wear it wrong if you don't wear it.

I wear hats that have ear flaps. :lol:

 

[dlague]

Why should those people have to ski a certain way for your kid? Does your kid own the mtn or have more rights to it than them?
What you see as out of control flying, others see as a basic warm up run.

My kids are really good snowboarders and skiers and we do not exactly put along, but buzzing people at high speed is flat out dangerous. It the person they are passing makes one wrong move then bad shit can happen! The reason I brought up this point iun the first place was we were at Killington this past weekend and some adult sized a*#hole decided use my wife as a gate then proceeded to cut my son off (thankfully he was able to react). I was pissed because there was absolutely no need for it. Lower Skylark is wide enough besides my family this guy was the only one around. It is just plain stupid!

Frankly - I find a lot of chest pounders on this forum that think they are the hottest sh*t on skis or a snowboard. I ski fast and used to race but I do not have to buzz people as a warm up run!

Why should those people have to ski a certain way for your kid?

Douche bag statement!

If it makes you feel more manly go for it! It is not necessary! Apparently you do not know the code of conduct!

 

[dlague]

If they are doing this in a family or slow skiing area it certainly does. And a little respect for other people goes a long way. I like to ski really fast too, but if there are some little kids on the trail I either give them a wide berth or slow down. You may be in control, but you don't know what that beginner or kid is going to do when you buzz them. Show a little awareness of the other persons perspective. And I can certainly tell when someone is skiing fast under control or if they are on the edge.

+1 Respect goes to you!

 

[dmc]

Douche bag statement!
If it makes you feel more manly go for it! It is not necessary! Apparently you do not know the code of conduct!

Typical - entitled - ski parent...

Teach your kid to buck up!! People ski fast - it's a fact... deal with it..

 

[dlague]

I will say that I am the person skiing at a high speed on the mtn. I have NEVER hit or caused a person to crash though as I am in control, or I slow down to where I am safe for the conditions or how crowded a trail is. I have on several occasions been hit and knocked down by "slow skiers" as I am standing on the side of the trail or bottom of a run. So who is the inconsiderate and out of control one?

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This is not what I am talking about! You automatically think due to my statements that we are beginners we are a far cry from that. We all like to ski fast like the next guy and it is fun to be a spectator watching a really good skier or snowboarder as well! We ski 30+ times per year, we see a lot of stupid stuff and we see a lot of really cool stuff too! It is the people that do not respect others that suck!

 

[dlague]

Typical - entitled - ski parent...

Teach your kid to buck up!! People ski fast - it's a fact... deal with it..

So do my kids! Two were on ski teams, one is a ski instructor and my youngest can rip it up with the best! THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BUZZ PEOPLE - GET IT?

The quality of the posters here has really increased since ski season started! You do not have to get bullshit because you think I am talking about you - I am not - so don't get offended!

 

[dlague]

Just remember, regardless of how rude or clueless or inconsiderate that group of people IN FRONT of you may be, if you're over taking them, it's YOUR job to both stay out of their way and also be ready for them to make a sudden change in their direction as you're approaching them. They have the right of way.

If it's a busy spot on the hill, then maybe some walking or skating at those busy times IS the proper call for all parties on the hill. Is it perfect, nope. But it sure beats the increased potential of a collision :idea:

+1

 

[dmc]

So do my kids! Two were on ski teams, one is a ski instructor and my youngest can rip it up with the best! THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BUZZ PEOPLE - GET IT?

I get it..

Your kids can do no wrong because they are awesome and never do anything wrong...

 

[dmc]

The quality of the posters here has really increased since ski season started!

Not the quality of posts though... Hearing all the lame stuff I hear every fall..
Set your watch to it...

 

[dlague]

I get it..

Your kids can do no wrong because they are awesome and never do anything wrong...

You have an f'n problem! Do you come on here to start hugely negative debates? I think you forgot NA NA NA NA NA!

 

[dmc]

You haqve a f'n problem!

So they are not awesome?

you're tough to please...

 

[steamboat1]

This is why I don't ski Hunter anymore. The mountain is filled with DMC's

 

[wa-loaf]

I get it..

Your kids can do no wrong because they are awesome and never do anything wrong...

You have an f'n problem! Do you come on here to start hugely negative debates? I think you forgot NA NA NA NA NA!

I think he's just busting your balls. Everyone seems to need to qualify their statements by showing how experienced they/their kids or whatever are. It's the other people ... bla bla bla. I did the same thing in my comment; mentioning how I like to ski fast, etc...