Bad Moves on the Lift

[dmc]

I've never been on a chairlift with someone ahead of me smoking and found that any of the smoke that I can smell can even be seen by the time it reaches me so the concentration must be pretty low. Again, slightly annoying? Perhaps, but in the scheme of life, it's not that big of a deal, at least not to me.

Well said...
just don't trhow the butt off the chair... then I'll be pissed...
Cigarette butts are what I hate about smoking..

 

[bvibert]

In all fairness I dont thinks smokes come close to smelling like your comparison above.

To me it is. As a matter of fact I'd rather get a wiff of cow shit then cigarette smoke.

 

[tjf67]

To me it is. As a matter of fact I'd rather get a wiff of cow shit then cigarette smoke.

you are out of your chicken. You need to live in a bubble then the world does not cater to you.

 

[BushMogulMaster]

...uncomfortable that Im smoking 50 feet in front or behind you (complete guess on chair spacing, I bet its more)...

110% OT:

You're not as far off as you think. Chair spacing is a function of desired line speed, capacity, and loading interval. 50 feet is not unreasonable for a typical FG with a 6 second or so loading interval.


Back to your regularly scheduled broadcast..........

 

[AdironRider]

Cool so for arguments sake Ill stick with the 50 foot stat.

That being said, for those naysaying about me being 50 feet away from you smoking, what in your false sense of reality would be a reasonable distance? Do I need to ask everyone in the lift corral behind me if its ok to smoke solo, just in case someone might be offended? What if it offends me that I cant smoke a reasonable distance away from anyone else? Do I not have rights as well? I really cannot fathom how Im being that offensive 50 feet away from you, again OUTSIDE. You really think theres a health danger? Ill tell you, your probably breathing in way worse stuff everyday stuck in morning commute traffic everyday or even sitting around a camp fire. Get over it really. THe comparison to a dead moose is laughable.

 

[mondeo]

It's not the distance, it's the time that matters. On a still day, all the smoke does is diffuse, a relatively slow process. So when the chair 50 ft behind you comes up 5 seconds later, they're breathing in essentially a 5 second old exhale of smoke, which is much more concentrated than even if you were standing directly downwind of a stationary smoker 50 feet away. It's diffuse enough that it's no longer visible, but it's still pretty bad for someone who can't stand the smell. And they're in that 5 second old cloud the entire way up the chair.

I've said it before, but I hate that smell, though I won't begrudge you your smoke. I can deal. I honestly would rather smell manure than cigarette smoke (though MJ smoke is even worse for me.) I think everyone here needs to chill a bit and realize that either the non-smoker or the smoker is going to be irritated if the smoker wants to light up.

Here's a question: how many of you know that secondhand smoke causes cancer?

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Here's a question: how many of you know that secondhand smoke causes cancer?

Not from an occasional smoker in the liftline or the chairlift in front..

 

[campgottagopee]

Cigarette butts are what I hate about smoking..

That's why I smoke Camel non-filter

 

[campgottagopee]

Full disclosure: I have never smoked.
We've got to keep this in perspective. In the 1940s, 70% of US adult males smoked and 40% of adult females. In 2005 25% of each gender smoked. That's huge.

I remember in the 60's, there wasn't anywhere you could go to escape smoke. Libraries, classrooms, ski lifts, restaurants. Well, maybe not hospitals or flammable liquids locales. Health concerns aside, If I look at the fact that we have effectively restricted the behavior of 1/4 of the adult population, something seems wrong.

It is socially acceptable to criticize those who smoke today, thus the public flogging continues. Hey, the native americans were smoking some pretty whacky stuff 2000 years ago too.

This is entirely separate from the health issues, which are entirely legitimate. I vote for giving them "their space" rather than to continue to shut down more and more venues.

Consideration and respect is a two-way street. As a society, we are, in generally, less civil, less polite, less considerate than 30 years ago. That applies to smoking, belching, door holding, driving and the list goes on.

So I'll give smokers their space, just as I will the Jehova's Witnesses. We need to be looking for more middle ground than incessantly dumping on each other.

Spot on!!! I don't "remeber the 60's (twas just hatched) but I do remeber the 70's and smoking was everywhere then. In highschool teachers had their smoking lounges with the smoke wafting throughout the entire school. We delt with it then so there's no reason it can't be delt with today.

 

[severine]

Not from an occasional smoker in the liftline or the chairlift in front..

Secondhand smoke is worse than smoke to a smoker. Because someone who doesn't smoke is more sensitized to it.

Read above. There is no safe amount of exposure to secondhand smoke. None.

Can we end this discussion? Nobody wins these arguments. You're never going to enlighten the other side: smokers feel the way they do, non-smokers feel the way they do. Nobody ever convinces the other side that s/he is correct. It's a pointless discussion. :???:

ETA: And just to reiterate what B said, I'd much rather inhale wafts of rotting cow shit than cigarette (or MJ) smoke any day. Honestly. Skunk is better, too. It's not just the odor... it's the fact that it irritates my lungs. I will say no more............................

 

[dmc]

I think I light up a cigar...

 

[tjf67]

Secondhand smoke is worse than smoke to a smoker. Because someone who doesn't smoke is more sensitized to it.

Read above. There is no safe amount of exposure to secondhand smoke. None.

Can we end this discussion? Nobody wins these arguments. You're never going to enlighten the other side: smokers feel the way they do, non-smokers feel the way they do. Nobody ever convinces the other side that s/he is correct. It's a pointless discussion. :???:

ETA: And just to reiterate what B said, I'd much rather inhale wafts of rotting cow shit than cigarette (or MJ) smoke any day. Honestly. Skunk is better, too. It's not just the odor... it's the fact that it irritates my lungs. I will say no more............................

My dog got hit by a skunk last night at 2:30 in the morning. OMG I think the smell is stuck in my nasal cavity. I cant get rid of the smell. OH yeah I am thinking of sticking smokes up my nose to get rid of the smell

 

[dmc]

Andys apartment smells like skunk... And a skunk has never even been there...

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Andys apartment smells like skunk... And a skunk has never even been there...

The same can be said for my place..:-D

 

[campgottagopee]

Andys apartment smells like skunk... And a skunk has never even been there...

At times my "basement bar" has that tangy smell too.....

 

[Johnskiismore]

To get a little bit back on track with the subject matter, vandalism on the lifts. I don't mean stickers people put on the towers or the safety bar, I mean when holes are poked into the chair seat, initials among other things are scratched into the paint, so many of the gondola's at Loon have a lot of vandalism scratched in to the windows.

It's ugly, and I hate it.

 

[tjf67]

Not specifically the lifts but it bugs the piss out of me when there are no garbage cans when you get off the lift.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Not specifically the lifts but it bugs the piss out of me when there are no garbage cans when you get off the lift.

Why??? If you have garbage..put it in your pocket and throw it out at the bottom....or do what most people do at Blue mountain and throw it to the side of the trail...doh..

 

[cbcbd]

I hate it when I get off the lift and can't find a readily accessible disco or casino.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

I hate it when I get off the lift and can't find a readily accessible disco or casino.

Totally I love a the discotech..lol