Bad Moves on the Lift

[hardline]

You never mastered the art of self-loading??? That's an important one. :wink:

Which has me thinking (I know, that's a scary thing). The only reason lifties perform like crap is because they are treated like crap. They are perceived as the least important workers at the resort, the scum, the lowest of the low. They are, in fact, some of the most important people on payroll. Who has more one-on-one face-to-face contact with the guest than the lift attendants/operators? Who has more direct, constant responsibility for the guests' safety? No one. Yet they are the lowest paid, most poorly treated members of the team. Seems to be a bit of a disconnect. And people wonder why they aren't attentive or aren't enthusiastic??? That's not an excuse for lousy performance IMO, but I think it does explain the general attitude.

Back on topic:

You know what annoys the heck out of me... the armchair resort operators who ride up the lift with you and whine about how the mountain is "Just trying to save money by [insert random observation here, e.g. not making snow on that trail, not running that lift, not grooming that trail, etc.]."


I'm rather annoyed at the folks who can't read the signs, or can't understand "Wait Here" and "Load Here." Pretty simple instructions, really.

How about when you're loading a quad (esp. fixed grip) and one or two of the four people loading decide to stand way behind the load board.......

one thing i do if i an with someone less experienced on FG. is load on the outside of where the chair come around the bullwheel and get little behind where the are loading and use my rear arm to help the lift load the chair. now that i think about it i do it when ever loading a FG.

 

[mondeo]

I'm in the middle on the smoking issue. For one, I hate being the next chair after a smoker. If I'm on the chair with them, ok, I turn my head away from them and away from the smoke, which as we move is being left in a trail behind us. Next chair, there's nothing I can do. I'm in the exhaust.

But, while it bugs the hell out of me, I can understand that it might bug the hell out of the smoker not to light up. My comfort isn't any more important than his, and I recognize that tabacco smokers' rights have been crushed almost to the point of marijuana smokers.

 

[AdironRider]

Can anyone tell me how to quote two separate posts in the same thread? I cant figure it out for the life of me.


Anyways, sorry for the abrasive tone, I just got super annoyed when I did smoke how I couldnt go a single day without someone preaching down to me about my habit. Look, I took DARE classes, Ive even lost a few family members due to smoking. I know the risks, have weighed them, and am comfortable with my decision. Besides I quit, that says enough about how I felt about it. Plus, it just means Im cranky from a lack of butt intake...

Anyways, Steve, Im sorry, but seriously, deal with it. I may not smoke anymore, but like I said before, you anti-smokers have claimed every bar, restaurant, etc in the land. Now you're not satisfied when someone 50 feet away from you, and I think your underestimating but lets agree to disagree, OUTSIDE, is smoking. So now to smoke according to you, I need to be further than a chairs distance away from anyone else who might get offended? Come on. Plus, you equated it to spitting on you and called me a sociopath. You really think that? Puhlease. Smokers get more flak than almost anyone else in this country these days but thats rediculous and I think deep down you know it. I stand by my statement that it would be respectful to me to let me do as I wish given that I was alone smoking away from anyone else. I wasn't disprespecting anyone.

Which brings up a good point IMO. In this day and age its pretty much trendy to be offended. I think its crap, but everyone gets offended by everything these days. Look, unless Im causing you physical harm or emotionally belittling a loved one, move along. Its not that big a deal. Whether it be smoking by myself on a lift or what have you, is it really worth getting offended about. I realize I got worked up about smoking and need to practice what I preach. Like I said, its the lack of butt intake I swear...

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Adirondack Rider reminds me of Denis Leary with his rants for smokers rights..lol..call me crazy but they should just make cigs illegal due to the health risks..and make weed legal due to the health benefits...

 

[Hawkshot99]

call me crazy but they should just make cigs illegal due to the health risks..and make weed legal due to the health benefits...

wow..................

 

[cbcbd]

So cbc ...you're gonna simply accept that stuff about what's left and what's right..as well as a little emphasis of "authority to preserve order"....from a Massachusetts driver...? ...:roll::roll:

if someone said that to me i would do everything he said not to do. just for being such a crab ass and not even saying hello.

A disclaimer, because I thought it might've been obvious...my original comment was a complete joke. Honestly, I just can't believe how emotional people are getting here over a lift ride and I guess its sad that some would believe that someone would go to the extent of my over-the-top rant on the first post.
I guess from the responses in this post it doesn't seem so far fetched that someone might be so angry to say some of the things I "said".
And here I thought skiers were generally a crowd that would just be psyched to have the privilege to be enjoying a day on the beautiful winter slopes... instead I find a bunch of very angry people complaining about people's mistakes seriously ruining their time.
So sad...

This thread makes me want to never ride a lift again...


-The Pretentious Turn Earner

Tell me about it...

 

[Trekchick]

Can anyone tell me how to quote two separate posts in the same thread? I cant figure it out for the life of me. ...

Use the

on the posts you want to use, then click on the Post button on the bottom of the page

 

[severine]

To say that secondhand smoke has no effect on others because you're smoking outside is absurd.
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422

The current Surgeon General’s Report concluded that scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke.

I have asthma. It affects me, even from a chair or two away on the lift, I can't move out of the direction of it so I'm forced to breathe it in, and yes, it pisses me off. It's not a my rights, your rights thing. If I'm sitting behind you on the chairlift, I don't have a choice as to whether or not I'll be breathing it in. You have a choice, however. I don't care whether or not you know the risks to yourself. I could give a rat's ass about whether or not a smoker cares that s/he is cutting his/her life short with every puff. What I care about is that I'm forced to breathe it in, especially at a time when I'm outside to experience and enjoy the fresh air.

Yes, this is a topic that really gets me going. I won't say anything further because I know that this discussion never goes any further. Smokers always cry that their rights are violated by not being allowed to smoke; non-smokers try to explain how our rights are violated by those smoking around us; nobody wins.

 

[o3jeff]

I hate the smoking on the lifts too. I quit 6 years ago and now can't stand to be near it, especially when you walk out of the store and into a cloud of smoke.

While I was in RI the other day I heard on the radio that the banned smoking on the beaches which I think they should do here since most are inconsiderate of the people around them. When I smoked I would at least go out of they way so it would blow into everyone around me.

 

[billski]

I hate the smoking on the lifts too. I quit 6 years ago and now can't stand to be near it, especially when you walk out of the store and into a cloud of smoke.

While I was in RI the other day I heard on the radio that the banned smoking on the beaches which I think they should do here since most are inconsiderate of the people around them. When I smoked I would at least go out of they way so it would blow into everyone around me.

waaaay OT, but....
Actually, I would support a ban on cellphone calls in the bathroom. I do everything I can to make bathroom-y noises when in there. I think the person on the other end of the line would have every right to be offended. If I ever discovered I was talking to someone on the can, well the conversation would go "hello? hello? I can't hear you? your're breaking up.... click...."

 

[snoseek]

.call me crazy but they should just make cigs illegal due to the health risks..and make weed legal due to the health benefits...

I'm totally with you on this one.

 

[bvibert]

I think this issue has been dealt with before, but cigarette smoke really bothers some people (I am one of those people though my body tolerates it much more than it used to). It isn't just ruining the experience for some people, it makes some people feel sick and it is an annoyance to people who can not move to avoid the cigarette cloud. Normally, I don't care if people smoke outside. If I am down wind, I move or reposition myself. But when you are on a chair, you are stuck breathing in the smoke for the entire duration of the cigarette. Same when you are in the lift coral. No place to go. And trust me when I say that smoke from one or two chairs up is painfully noticeable. The smoke doesn't just dissipate instantly.

Regarding the "no harm" aspect, you are correct in that breathing a little second hand smoke outside really is not harming any one. But then again, it wouldn't be harming anyone to go up to them and spit on their clothing either. There are a lot of things we just don't do to other people even if it wouldn't cause them harm. Just common decency. No one is trying to restrict your access to smoking. Rather they are just saying please don't blow your smoke into my face. Which is exactly what happens when you are riding a lift and someone is smoking on the next chair.

I figured that was the response I would get. Much the same type of responses were made by both smokers and ex-smokers in the last thread we had on the issue.

You don't seem to understand, but with certain wind directions, cigarette smoke is actually worse when you are down wind (even at a distance, believe it or not) rather than sitting right next to someone (also, your 50 foot estimate is a bit far, IMO, except maybe for high speed lifts). In other words, it is worse for the chair downwind than for someone sitting right next to you in the chair. I have been in both situations and honestly was not bothered sitting next to someone that smoked that blew away from the chair though the person in the next chair back may not have felt the same.

Respect for others? Am I serious? Yes. Someone approached you about the problem and you failed to consider their personal perspective when you were infringing upon them. That to me is lack of respect. Not only did you not consider their perspective but you blasted them for expressing concern that you were doing something that negatively effected them. Your right as an individual extends to the point that your rights infringe upon other people. Infringing upon other people and not caring about said infringement is a lack of respect, IMO. Not to mention callous. Just because it doesn't bother you and you don't think your actions would be unpleasant to others does not mean that your actions can not possibly have a highly unpleasant effect upon someone else. That is essentially a sociopathic perspective on how one's actions effect other people. Sorry to sound preachy but it is this aspect of human nature that depresses me the most.

Well said Steve, I completely agree.

Respect for others? Are you serious? I really could give a crap if it makes you uncomfortable that Im smoking 50 feet in front or behind you (complete guess on chair spacing, I bet its more), which was the case in question. I would argue that its respectful to let one do as they wish in that situation. If I was sitting next to you different story. Whenever I rode a lift with others I always asked out of respect as I would be sitting right next to them. But if Im 50+ feet away from you, you can deal. You might get a hint of the smell, but there certainly isnt a cloud overcoming you. Like I said, if you're going to get all worked up over that, pound sand. It would even be a stretch to complain about someone smoking 50 feet away from you indoors, let alone outside. That is not blowing smoke in your face, not even close.

Spoken like a true, disrespectful smoker who just doesn't get it and obviously doesn't care.

Think of it this way, would you be pissed if there was a big steaming pile of stinky cow crap, or maybe a dead moose that's been festering for a couple of weeks, on the chair in front of you, with the smell constantly wafting down to your chair?

 

[ed-drum]

I smoke tobacco myself, but I try to be respectful to people who don't like it. I HATE it when smokers go outside and stand right in front of the entrance to the lodge blocking access. As for smoking dope, here in NY it is not just a "ticket" to get caught smoking in public, it is a class B misdemeanor with mandatory loss of your drivers license for 6 months. So, smoking dope on the lift is not a good idea. The person next to you might be a cop or a snitch. Or in the car in a parking lot either. I have heard of of people who do this and get busted. Go and hide someplace! It is not illegal to smoke on a lift but it is against the law to throw things off of a lift. Go figure!

 

[tjf67]

Well said Steve, I completely agree.



Spoken like a true, disrespectful smoker who just doesn't get it and obviously doesn't care.

Think of it this way, would you be pissed if there was a big steaming pile of stinky cow crap, or maybe a dead moose that's been festering for a couple of weeks, on the chair in front of you, with the smell constantly wafting down to your chair?

In all fairness I dont thinks smokes come close to smelling like your comparison above.

Smokers get it. Non smokers do not.

 

[o3jeff]

Bad comparison Brian, the smell of the pile cannot harm/kill you while the smoke can.

 

[billski]

Full disclosure: I have never smoked.
We've got to keep this in perspective. In the 1940s, 70% of US adult males smoked and 40% of adult females. In 2005 25% of each gender smoked. That's huge.

I remember in the 60's, there wasn't anywhere you could go to escape smoke. Libraries, classrooms, ski lifts, restaurants. Well, maybe not hospitals or flammable liquids locales. Health concerns aside, If I look at the fact that we have effectively restricted the behavior of 1/4 of the adult population, something seems wrong.

It is socially acceptable to criticize those who smoke today, thus the public flogging continues. Hey, the native americans were smoking some pretty whacky stuff 2000 years ago too.

This is entirely separate from the health issues, which are entirely legitimate. I vote for giving them "their space" rather than to continue to shut down more and more venues.

Consideration and respect is a two-way street. As a society, we are, in generally, less civil, less polite, less considerate than 30 years ago. That applies to smoking, belching, door holding, driving and the list goes on.

So I'll give smokers their space, just as I will the Jehova's Witnesses. We need to be looking for more middle ground than incessantly dumping on each other.

 

[Greg]

I used to smoke, but haven't in 10+ years and would never dream about smoking again. No way. Maybe I'm just far less hypersensitive than some, but I don't actually find the brief whiff from a cigarette all that bad (stale smoke on clothes or someone's breath is another story). It seems some people act like it's completely debilitating if they catch a whiff. I'm not saying I enjoy it, but a whiff or two doesn't send me into a tizzy. Neither does a whiff of 2 stroke fumes from a ski area's snowmobile which I find to be a much worse smell.

I've never been on a chairlift with someone ahead of me smoking and found that any of the smoke that I can smell can even be seen by the time it reaches me so the concentration must be pretty low. Again, slightly annoying? Perhaps, but in the scheme of life, it's not that big of a deal, at least not to me.

 

[o3jeff]

Consideration and respect is a two-way street.

That about sums it up. I smoked for 12 years so I kinda see both sides of the argument, but I always tried to isolate myself when I was lighting up in a group of people.

 

[cbcbd]

Maybe I'm just far less hypersensitive than some, but I don't actually find the brief whiff from a cigarette all that bad (stale smoke on clothes or someone's breath is another story). It seems some people act like it's completely debilitating if they catch a whiff. I'm not saying I enjoy it, but a whiff or two doesn't send me into a tizzy. Neither does a whiff of 2 stroke fumes from a ski area's snowmobile which I find to be a much worse smell.

I've never been on a chairlift with someone ahead of me smoking and found that any of the smoke that I can smell can even be seen by the time it reaches me so the concentration must be pretty low. Again, slightly annoying? Perhaps, but in the scheme of life, it's not that big of a deal, at least not to me.

+1

 

[dmc]

Sometimes I hock a lugie off the lift...
And I hit someones deck... Especially if it's a long stringy one.. Like if I just drank milk...