Belleayre closing due to layoffs

[UVSHTSTRM]

And we wonder why New York is in the shape its in! If Belleayre is this overstaffed, imagine the rest of the state! I hate to see anyone lose thier job, but this is crazy!

Agreed, really hate to see people lose their jobs. But like many of the common folk who have had to reel in spending, budget, act shall I say like a responsible adult, it's time the government do the same. And to your point about the rest of the state, I can't even fathom, well I can, but it's just too damn depressing.

 

[riverc0il]

- At Thursday's hearing, some of the 45 full time employees at Belleayre Ski Mountain who are being offered seasonal jobs instead

- Iwanowicz said the employees would be re-hired as part-time seasonal workers, giving the ski center the same staffing level as last year during the winter season.


Hopefully this won't effect winter operations...

I am amazed that all but the biggest of resorts would even have 45 full time employees. I am not familiar with Belleayre, but this has to be a no brainer. Did they have lifties and cashiers on payroll at full time status?

 

[UVSHTSTRM]

I am amazed that all but the biggest of resorts would even have 45 full time employees. I am not familiar with Belleayre, but this has to be a no brainer. Did they have lifties and cashiers on payroll at full time status?

What about ski patrol? That is the one that got me? I am guessing that although listed as fulltime for the duty of ski patrol that they actually had other duties during the year that obviously didn't include patroling....and I don't mean attending seminars and confrences.

 

[riverc0il]

What about ski patrol? That is the one that got me? I am guessing that although listed as fulltime for the duty of ski patrol that they actually had other duties during the year that obviously didn't include patroling....and I don't mean attending seminars and confrences.

Almost all patrol is volunteer. I am sure most major areas pay the head of patrol. That could be seasonal as well, though. Maybe one full time head of patrol seems fine. The above list does not show which full time positions are not being reallocated to seasonal, though.

 

[dmc]

Almost all patrol is volunteer. I am sure most major areas pay the head of patrol. That could be seasonal as well, though. Maybe one full time head of patrol seems fine. The above list does not show which full time positions are not being reallocated to seasonal, though.

At Hunter our SP is fulltime seasonal.. And some volunteers...

 

[skidbump]

Its also a state park with a small lake open in the summer .Yes it was alittle fat but it wasnt like they sat arround all summer doing nothing.It also is the older of the ski areas and it does require a lot of maintnace as most of there quads/snowmobiles/cars/trucks/groomers/shuttle vans and heavy equipment.Christ lodge is from the 50's and that alone is almst a full time job.

Believe one of the full time patrollers is also of security one may have been a nurse.

And yes i have seen 3 people doing a 2 man job,just like any other state work crew But who is going to do all the work to upkeep the place from april to november.

How many people do you know that world make lets say 25 an hour then take a 20% pay cut and lose 7 months of pay.Does anybody think that those people who had the key jobs are going to stay.if Lift mechanics leave where do you get replacement people.Where do you get groomers,carpenters,and electricians.

Also some of those people work 7 months as park personel and 5 as ski area employees.
Ya they could have made a cut but not every body.

 

[riverc0il]

I wonder if any one that actually works at a ski area (preferably privately held) could comment on the percentage of full time employees to part time and/or seasonal? My guess is that the adjustments bring Belleayre's work force into line with what is actually standard at other areas. Just my guess though, would love to hear from someone currently or that has previously worked at a ski area.

 

[catskills]

I wonder if any one that actually works at a ski area (preferably privately held) could comment on the percentage of full time employees to part time and/or seasonal? My guess is that the adjustments bring Belleayre's work force into line with what is actually standard at other areas. Just my guess though, would love to hear from someone currently or that has previously worked at a ski area.

NY state is cutting cutting 48 jobs out of 55. Most of these positions earn around $15 an hour. That leaves 7 full time employees. Are you saying that you can run a down hill ski area, ski school, ski patrol, cross country ski area, lift maintenance, snow making, grooming, security, summer lake/boating/picnic area, summer concert every weekend, summer sky ride, summer biking, wedding events, and new construction improvements with 7 employees? Wow that would be awesome if you could.

There is so much BS on this forum you could fill a very large garbage truck.

 

[dmc]

NY state is cutting cutting 48 jobs out of 55. Most of these positions earn a tad over $15 an hour. That leaves 7 full time employees. Are you saying that you can run a down hill ski area, ski school, ski patrol, cross country ski area, lift maintenance, snow making, grooming, security, summer lake/picnic area, summer concert every weekend, summer sky ride, summer biking, wedding events, and new construction improvements with 7 employees? Wow that would be awesome if you could.

There is so much BS on this forum you could fill a very large garbage truck.

So what is it $10 an hour of $15 an hour... Who's spouting BS?

7 employees? + Sesonal Employees = doing the job.

 

[drjeff]

Its also a state park with a small lake open in the summer .Yes it was alittle fat but it wasnt like they sat arround all summer doing nothing.It also is the older of the ski areas and it does require a lot of maintnace as most of there quads/snowmobiles/cars/trucks/groomers/shuttle vans and heavy equipment.Christ lodge is from the 50's and that alone is almst a full time job.

Believe one of the full time patrollers is also of security one may have been a nurse.

And yes i have seen 3 people doing a 2 man job,just like any other state work crew But who is going to do all the work to upkeep the place from april to november.

How many people do you know that world make lets say 25 an hour then take a 20% pay cut and lose 7 months of pay.Does anybody think that those people who had the key jobs are going to stay.if Lift mechanics leave where do you get replacement people.Where do you get groomers,carpenters,and electricians.

Also some of those people work 7 months as park personel and 5 as ski area employees.
Ya they could have made a cut but not every body.

The construction industry isn't exactly "on fire" right now, so I'm guessing there's plenty of folks out there. Groomer wise, well the first few days might produce a little uneven product, but I'm guessing that if one if proficient at operating a bulldozer, that they could pick up grooming pretty quickly. Just saying....

 

[skidbump]

The construction industry isn't exactly "on fire" right now, so I'm guessing there's plenty of folks out there. Groomer wise, well the first few days might produce a little uneven product, but I'm guessing that if one if proficient at operating a bulldozer, that they could pick up grooming pretty quickly. Just saying....

A good dozer operator isnt a good groomer.Grooming is almost an art.

 

[skidbump]

So what is it $10 an hour of $15 an hour... Who's spouting BS?

7 employees? + Sesonal Employees = doing the job.

Do you really think 7 people could do what needs to be done from april to november.
So now you would need summer seasonal for ski area work.So doesnt make sense to make it a yr round job instead of a winter and summer seasonal gig.Again what happens when key people decide to leave.
And it is there to support economy so i believe creating jobs for locals is part of it.

 

[threecy]

Its also a state park with a small lake open in the summer .

...requiring more than 50 full time, year round employees, plus additional seasonal?

It also is the older of the ski areas and it does require a lot of maintnace as most of there quads/snowmobiles/cars/trucks/groomers/shuttle vans and heavy equipment.

Fourwheelers and snowmobiles can be serviced by local businesses, as can vans. If they're on a lease program with snowcats, significant maintenance is unnecessary.

Christ lodge is from the 50's and that alone is almst a full time job.

I would venture a guess that most ski areas in the northeast have lodges originally built in the 1950s or 1960s.

 

[dmc]

Do you really think 7 people could do what needs to be done from april to november.

No.. But 7 plus seasonal employees can...

thats what every other ski area does and it works fine..

 

[threecy]

No.. But 7 plus seasonal employees can...

thats what every other ski area does and it works fine..

Indeed...a lot of tasks do not require advanced skills - rather, someone skilled to oversee and unskilled labor to do.

 

[skidbump]

No.. But 7 plus seasonal employees can...

thats what every other ski area does and it works fine..

no what i am saying is at what point do you make it yr round .Having seaonal winter with seasonal summer = yr round full time work..No?

 

[dmc]

Indeed...a lot of tasks do not require advanced skills - rather, someone skilled to oversee and unskilled labor to do.

If I was a local non-union Fleischmans guy - I'd be chomping at the bit for one of those seasonal jobs..

 

[oakapple]

I wonder if any one that actually works at a ski area (preferably privately held) could comment on the percentage of full time employees to part time and/or seasonal? My guess is that the adjustments bring Belleayre's work force into line with what is actually standard at other areas. Just my guess though, would love to hear from someone currently or that has previously worked at a ski area.

I think some of those employees are responsible for Belleayre's summer programs. I haven't gone there in summertime, so I can't say how extensive it is. But it is an important distinction from areas that completely shut down over the summer.

Also: it sounds like some of the full-time employees will be replaced with part-timers or freelancers, so the work will still get done. Those workers just won't have the benefits of full-time employment.

 

[skidbump]

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Fourwheelers and snowmobiles can be serviced by local businesses, as can vans. If they're on a lease program with snowcats, significant maintenance is unnecessary.



I would venture a guess that most ski areas in the northeast have lodges originally built in the 1950s or 1960s.

What local repair shops.
though there ares a couple new cats there are a few old ones and who is going to do that work.
And are they a state park open for all that is offered yr round?

 

[dmc]

no what i am saying is at what point do you make it yr round .Having seaonal winter with seasonal summer = yr round full time work..No?

A winter seasonal employee can become a summer seasonal employee.. Thats what happens at other ski areas...