Belleayre Express?

[JimG.]

Large TOMAHAWK sign still attached as of today.

lol yeah noticed that yesterday.

Skiing was very good yesterday, top to bottom on Deer Run and especially Dot Nebel.

 

[JimG.]

Just like Superchief, I doubt many will actually call the lifts by their new names. I’m pretty sure the Superchief signs are still up today as well, they certainly were last season. Name change is only reflected on the website.

Just like everyone still refers to the Cuomo bridge as the Tappan Zee.

 

[tnt1234]

lol yeah noticed that yesterday.

Skiing was very good yesterday, top to bottom on Deer Run and especially Dot Nebel.

Nice. Thinking about making the drive next weekend. Unless Blue opens...

 

[tnt1234]

Native Americans are cool and Native American place/thing names are also cool. If you whitewash all the names you are also whitewashing out the history and culture of this country and continent. It is a distraction from actual issues that affect native americans and only continues to push them and their culture to the sidelines of american consciousness

Hmmm...I don't know about that.

I don't think a culture is well remembered by naming things derogatory terms for said culture. Like, how does it help our understanding of native american culture to have a stereotypical cartoonish indian chief on the helmets of a football team called 'Redskins'? Should that image and name inform our understanding of native culture?

Imagine a team named 'the Honkies' or 'the Crackers' with a cartoon picture of Clark Griswold as the mascot . Is that a celebration of white american culture? Is it informing others of the traditions and values of the culture?


Having said that, I don't really think Tomahawk needs remaining. Super Chief is borderline IMO. But there are plenty of other things that definitely should be renamed IMO.

 

[cdskier]

Imagine a team named 'the Honkies' or 'the Crackers' with a cartoon picture of Clark Griswold as the mascot . Is that a celebration of white american culture? Is it informing others of the traditions and values of the culture?

I think that's a poor example as I think that would be hilarious and awesome.

I do understand and agree there are some things that might not be appropriate and renaming should be considered in certain cases. A lift named Tomahawk is not one of them though... So we agree there.

 

[skiur]

Just like everyone still refers to the Cuomo bridge as the Tappan Zee.

Because the name change just happened, but nobody calls the Jackie Robinson the interborough anymore, most people don't even know that jfk Airport used to be Idlewild.

 

[cdskier]

Because the name change just happened, but nobody calls the Jackie Robinson the interborough anymore, most people don't even know that jfk Airport used to be Idlewild.

In the case of the Tap, it is because everyone I know thinks the name change was one of the dumbest ideas ever and we refuse to use that stupid new name. It has nothing to do with when it happened. It should have never been changed period.

 

[skiur]

In the case of the Tap, it is because everyone I know thinks the name change was one of the dumbest ideas ever and we refuse to use that stupid new name. It has nothing to do with when it happened. It should have never been changed period.

While I agree with you on changing the name was stupid, in 15 years (unless it gets changed again with the cuomo family issues) people wont be calling it the tapanzee anymore just like the interborough and Idlewild and the numerous stupid name changes thru the years.

 

[JimG.]

I think that's a poor example as I think that would be hilarious and awesome.

I do understand and agree there are some things that might not be appropriate and renaming should be considered in certain cases. A lift named Tomahawk is not one of them though... So we agree there.

You see you've got a sense of humor.

Seemingly as rare today as common sense.

 

[Kingslug20]

I'm glad I don't have kids...explaining all this to them would be...painful.

 

[JimG.]

I'm glad I don't have kids...explaining all this to them would be...painful.

Yeah I'm glad my youngest is a soph in college. They're old enough to figure it out themselves.

 

[Kingslug20]

Hell..I'm still trying to figure it out.....

 

[jimmywilson69]

Yeah I'm glad my youngest is a soph in college. They're old enough to figure it out themselves.

mine is 21 same!

 

[spiderpig]

While I agree with you on changing the name was stupid, in 15 years (unless it gets changed again with the cuomo family issues) people wont be calling it the tapanzee anymore just like the interborough and Idlewild and the numerous stupid name changes thru the years.

The Triborough, Queensboro, and Brooklyn Battery are still hanging on

 

[ss20]

For sentimental sakes I hope Mohawk never changes their name.

They do have a trail still on the map called Indian Crossing...wonder if that makes it to 2025!!

 

[Kingslug20]

End up with the way they do it in Russia...all numbers..

 

[catskills]

We all need to show more respect to Native Americans. I think its sad how many people on this thread, that have NO Native American heritage, has an opinion about how offensive names. are. Do you understand just how bad this thread sounds to Native Americans? Show some respect!!!

 

[snoloco]

Changing the lift names makes zero sense to me. Nearly all of Belleayre's trail names have Native American origin, and Tomahawk Crossing is the only one that has been changed so far. To my knowledge, none of their trail names are slurs, unlike Squaw Valley. I still refer to Lift 6 as Superchief, and Lift 8 as Tomahawk.

 

[catskills]

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[spiderpig]

For sentimental sakes I hope Mohawk never changes their name.

They do have a trail still on the map called Indian Crossing...wonder if that makes it to 2025!!

They have to change it to Guardian Crossing now