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New York state contributed a couple of million dollars toward the building of Hunter Mountain's Learning Center. That is not a "conspiracy theory". Our tax dollars at work.
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Belleayre in April?
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skidbump
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I do not want a dmc/hunter/windham bash a thon to start.I just want know if the numbers are correct why is everyone got pantys in a wad.Its not just here on forum.
Numbers are down at belleayre and hunter ,Anybody who skiis these 2 areas know it.As far as true skier counts only belleayre publish's.
Numbers are down at belleayre and hunter ,Anybody who skiis these 2 areas know it.As far as true skier counts only belleayre publish's.
MarkC
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Lets play the numbers game
Ski Season 2006-07 2005-06
Total Revenue $4,382,152 $4,917,309
Total Expenses $5,550,317 $6,020,787
Net Income -$1,168,165 -$1,103,478
Capital Expenditures $1,250,000 $1,333,000
Total Cost to Taxpayers $2,418,165 $2,436,478
Skier Visits 146,560 162,120
Taxpayer Cost Per Skier Visit -$16.50 -$15.03
Taxpayer Cost Per Paid Skier Visit -$19.25 -$17.36
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I believe Hunter is actually up compared to previous years.
from Phoenicia Times-
Ski For One, Ski For All?
More importantly, are they still set to close at the end of March, as promised by the state Department of Environmental Conservation that owns and operates the region’s oldest surviving winter sports mecca, in a move to save funds this year? How’s their budget looking, given the state’s attempts to wrestle down its ballooning deficits, for not only the coming years, but the one we’re now in? Have the skiers been coming?
The big news of late has been the regular meetings the principals of Ulster, Greene and Delaware county ski centers have been holding in recent weeks, finally bringing themselves to the idea of working together to attract more visitors. And the goal? To make the Catskills a unified ski destination, with room for niche marketing to satisfy the big four still remaining in the area… Hunter, Windham, Belleayre and Ski Plattekill near Roxbury.
According to Belleayre’s Superintendent Tony Lanza, all sides have found common ground in a hope to attract more skiers to the region, skiers that otherwise travel to Vermont. Preliminary plans, he said this week, call for a billboard blitz along the routes to and from the Vermont slopes announcing discounts to those that try the Catskills instead.
“It might not be ready for this year, but at least we have an agreement about what we want to do,” Lanza said.
The campaign would be paid for by the four ski centers, with the three counties, and hopefully whatever’s left of the state’s I Love NY and other tourism-related programs, contributing as well.
Yet simultaneous with the good news, a talk with DEC Region 3 Director Willie Janeway this week found him saying that no new expansion funds had been set aside for Belleayre this year, and a recent skiing trip to the winter sports center under his aegis led him to concur with other DEC officials checking out the mountain in recent weeks.
Their findings? That things are operating just fine for now, so there would be no need to burden the state with funding requests next year, either.
As for bigger ties-in to federal stimulus funds, which the Coalition to Save Belleayre asked Governbor David Paterson to help them get in a press release this week, Janeway noted that it was his understanding that such funding needed “shovel-ready” projects not encumbered with outstanding environmental review or permitting processes still in need of being worked through.
“We at the state won’t have our part of this ready for public review for many, many months yet,” Janeway said on Monday, February 23, the same day the Coalition’s Joe Kelly was noting that such process, and the state’s new Unit Management Plan for Belleayre, were all but done already.
Janeway did add, however, that funds were still available, and the process moving along well, for a massive land purchase of private lands that developers Crossroads Ventures had once been planning for a second resort, before former Governor Eliot Spitzer scuttled such ideas with the formulation of his as yet-unrealized Agreement in Principle to join the proposed Belleayre Resort with a long-awaited ski center expansion.
Lanza, told of Janeway’s statements regarding the budget on Tuesday, Feb. 24, expressed surprise that anyone knew anything about the state’s budget yet.
“How’d he know that,” Lanza said. “Nobody knows anything.”
He went on to note that while he’s still planning on closing down Belleayre at the end of March, he’s also considering appealing for a later close should the weather stay cold. He also noted that, despite a halved advertising budget and later start than usual, Belleayre had been having a “very good year,” on a par with a six year average if behind last year’s bumper income.
“Our revenues will exceed our expenses,” he said, carefully. “WE were helped that the fuel costs dropped, cutting our snowmaking expenses.”
He said that the recent talks with Hunter, Windham and Plattekill had left him enthusiastic about better years to come.
“We’re all realizing that together we CAN compete with Southern Vermont,” he said. “After all, we’re all dealing with the same region’s economy. We’ve got to do what we’ve got to do…”
http://www.phoeniciatimes.com/phoenicia/followup.html#5
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Ski For One, Ski For All?
More importantly, are they still set to close at the end of March, as promised by the state Department of Environmental Conservation that owns and operates the region’s oldest surviving winter sports mecca, in a move to save funds this year? How’s their budget looking, given the state’s attempts to wrestle down its ballooning deficits, for not only the coming years, but the one we’re now in? Have the skiers been coming?
The big news of late has been the regular meetings the principals of Ulster, Greene and Delaware county ski centers have been holding in recent weeks, finally bringing themselves to the idea of working together to attract more visitors. And the goal? To make the Catskills a unified ski destination, with room for niche marketing to satisfy the big four still remaining in the area… Hunter, Windham, Belleayre and Ski Plattekill near Roxbury.
According to Belleayre’s Superintendent Tony Lanza, all sides have found common ground in a hope to attract more skiers to the region, skiers that otherwise travel to Vermont. Preliminary plans, he said this week, call for a billboard blitz along the routes to and from the Vermont slopes announcing discounts to those that try the Catskills instead.
“It might not be ready for this year, but at least we have an agreement about what we want to do,” Lanza said.
The campaign would be paid for by the four ski centers, with the three counties, and hopefully whatever’s left of the state’s I Love NY and other tourism-related programs, contributing as well.
Yet simultaneous with the good news, a talk with DEC Region 3 Director Willie Janeway this week found him saying that no new expansion funds had been set aside for Belleayre this year, and a recent skiing trip to the winter sports center under his aegis led him to concur with other DEC officials checking out the mountain in recent weeks.
Their findings? That things are operating just fine for now, so there would be no need to burden the state with funding requests next year, either.
As for bigger ties-in to federal stimulus funds, which the Coalition to Save Belleayre asked Governbor David Paterson to help them get in a press release this week, Janeway noted that it was his understanding that such funding needed “shovel-ready” projects not encumbered with outstanding environmental review or permitting processes still in need of being worked through.
“We at the state won’t have our part of this ready for public review for many, many months yet,” Janeway said on Monday, February 23, the same day the Coalition’s Joe Kelly was noting that such process, and the state’s new Unit Management Plan for Belleayre, were all but done already.
Janeway did add, however, that funds were still available, and the process moving along well, for a massive land purchase of private lands that developers Crossroads Ventures had once been planning for a second resort, before former Governor Eliot Spitzer scuttled such ideas with the formulation of his as yet-unrealized Agreement in Principle to join the proposed Belleayre Resort with a long-awaited ski center expansion.
Lanza, told of Janeway’s statements regarding the budget on Tuesday, Feb. 24, expressed surprise that anyone knew anything about the state’s budget yet.
“How’d he know that,” Lanza said. “Nobody knows anything.”
He went on to note that while he’s still planning on closing down Belleayre at the end of March, he’s also considering appealing for a later close should the weather stay cold. He also noted that, despite a halved advertising budget and later start than usual, Belleayre had been having a “very good year,” on a par with a six year average if behind last year’s bumper income.
“Our revenues will exceed our expenses,” he said, carefully. “WE were helped that the fuel costs dropped, cutting our snowmaking expenses.”
He said that the recent talks with Hunter, Windham and Plattekill had left him enthusiastic about better years to come.
“We’re all realizing that together we CAN compete with Southern Vermont,” he said. “After all, we’re all dealing with the same region’s economy. We’ve got to do what we’ve got to do…”
http://www.phoeniciatimes.com/phoenicia/followup.html#5
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ZYDECORICH
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just read this thread, great disscussion. i do have a question for you dmc. it seems your passionate about where your taxes dollars go and the people that may be suffering out there, excellent attitude. the question is i don't know what you do do for a living but i have seen that you play in a band at gigs all over up there. be honest, are those cash gigs or does the owner give a check from the establishment. when i played in a band it was usually half the door and a flat rate for the night. most times cash. no taxes paid. hunter and bellayre are virtually the same distance from nj if you consider that people take the thruway to get there. from my house hunter is 106 miles bellayre 102. i go to both and stay at both.
Rob A
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Belleayre WILL open in April! http://belleayre.com
BenJaminFOX
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Virus?! Or new marketing?!
More shortly, wanted a comedy to look on youtube today.
Usually I do not use a sound on the computer, on noute too I turn off. Today has included.
Has looked a any videos, then began speech to interrupt a sound. I think that such has looked, thought that simultaneously windows work, but is not present the order.
And the texts actively speak, woman and second advertising the man. I have switched off all brousers and progs- and the advertising goes. On desctop anything superfluous, in processes like too.
Who what a string knows about such? HELP PLS!
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More shortly, wanted a comedy to look on youtube today.
Usually I do not use a sound on the computer, on noute too I turn off. Today has included.
Has looked a any videos, then began speech to interrupt a sound. I think that such has looked, thought that simultaneously windows work, but is not present the order.
And the texts actively speak, woman and second advertising the man. I have switched off all brousers and progs- and the advertising goes. On desctop anything superfluous, in processes like too.
Who what a string knows about such? HELP PLS!
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Like lance camper and canon digital camera sd
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most east coast mountains are..
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I just book an extended weekend at Belleayare for 3/18 to 3/22 for an average of $71 a night, room and ticked included. I didn't really want to go away those date, as I'm going to miss pond skimming at Blue, but Mrs Root has an insane travel schedule for her job and this was the only time we could really get away.
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Where are you staying???
RootDKJ
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Holiday Inn in Kingston. Kinda far, but for the price, who cares
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Don't know if this is old news. Belleayre web site site says "It's official, we will be open into April"!
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Thats good news! Anybody know when Windham closes?
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Sorry... But I'm not comfortable starting that conversation with the dogs at my door... And how we get paid is usually negotiated so I don't want to talk about that...
All I'll say is... We play for fun... We don't make much.. Any reporting of income at my level of playing usually comes in at a loss..
I have a very good job in real life... I'd be willing to play a charity gig for the businesses around Bell to help out if needed...
ZYDECORICH
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bro i totally understand and did not mean to pry. i was just trying to make a point about how alot of people now have second incomes and rely on that heavily while paying taxes. the pulpit from which we speak on issues must be from an honest standpoint or its empty. i know it depends on how popular you are for any income of real significance to make any real difference. hell i know i never made that much. just enough for the gas, a few road crew friends that helped. and a doobie or two. it was just the point. i'll shut up now. with that said when's your next gig maybe i'll get up there and check it out.
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So - looks like everything is starting to level out...And the sky never fell...
Very good... Very good..
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I get taxed more then the average person in my area... I take care of my civic duty thank you very much...
I hope that NY doesn't enforce a tax on me when I buy my pass next year
http://www.stoptheskitax.com/
Of course Belleayre patrons will be exempt from this tax...
saw the billboards described in the article on the way to K on saturday. The sign on the way there (where Okemo usually advertises) read, "If you had chose the Catskills, you'd be on the slopes by now" and the one on the way home read, "If you had chose the Catskills, you'd be home by now".
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