Big Burke announcement

[VTKilarney]

Looking at the bigger picture, you know all of those old people who tell you how much more it snowed in the old days? In this neck of the woods, at least, they are full of crap.



I'd be curious to know if the average snow pack depth has changed over the years due to a changed freeze-thaw cycle.

 

[SkiRaceParent]

Looking at the bigger picture, you know all of those old people who tell you how much more it snowed in the old days? In this neck of the woods, at least, they are full of crap.

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St J is an infamous snow hole. Climb up into Danville, Walden or Peacham to the west or Sheffield, Wheelock or parts of Burke to the north and annual snowfall goes up ~60-80%.

 

[VTKilarney]

St J is an infamous snow hole. Climb up into Danville, Walden or Peacham to the west or Sheffield, Wheelock or parts of Burke to the north and annual snowfall goes up ~60-80%.

I was inferring that those locations tracked similarly to St. Johnsbury, just with higher overall totals. Wheelock, up on the ridge, gets a TON of snow. The snow tapers off quite a bit in Lunenburg and Guildhall thanks to the shadow of the White Mountains. They often have half of what St. Johnsbury has in those towns.

 

[SkiRaceParent]

I was inferring that those locations tracked similarly to St. Johnsbury, just with higher overall totals. Wheelock has DEEP snow, and Walden has some serious snow as well. The snow tapers off quite a bit in Lunenburg and Guildhall thanks to the shadow of the White Mountains. They often have half of what St. Johnsbury has in those towns.

Gotcha. And I agree, the data hurts their argument, unless as you suggested it just stayed longer on the ground and the base packed itself up more back then, to give everyone that illusion...I'm sure you could look at max/min temps and rainfall data to figure that one out.

 

[yeggous]

Looking at the bigger picture, you know all of those old people who tell you how much more it snowed in the old days? In this neck of the woods, at least, they are full of crap.

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I'd be curious to know if the average snow pack depth has changed over the years due to a changed freeze-thaw cycle.

I just saw a talk today that focused on this very issue. It turns out to be regionally dependent. There short of it is that there is no significant change in mid winter but a noticeable decease in the shoulder months.


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[Masskier]

You guys are too much. Is there a hotel being built? Yes. That's enough for 99% of people in the world. If I were Stenger, I wouldn't feel compelled to write a press release for a loud, negative, OCD 1% who have their doubts. And to be honest, if Stenger came out and said, "We've got $60M in capital reserves for the hotel. Hotel is projected to cost $55M, so we've secured an additional $5M for overages"; you all still might not believe him. Hell, Massskier said over and over this spring, "Hotels on schedule to start construction, everything is fine." You all said, over and over and over, "No it's not, No it's not."

Hotel construction is happening; there's your press conference. What's that saying? Actions speak louder than words.

There's a shopping plaza being built in my town right now by a large company. They have cancelled other projects in recent years in surrounding communities. Construction is going slow, but it's happening. I don't inspect one side of the building's progress vs. the other and wonder if that has to do with an unrelated announcement. I certainly don't question the funding as long as work continues nor do I expect the developer to write a story in the Sunday paper.

Look, I'm as vocal as anyone about certain aspects of what's going on at Burke. I hate the Q thing, their management hiring decisions are suspect and Ary has made an absolute ass of himself in front of the local media like no businessman I've ever seen. He's truly the Dennis Rodman of the ski industry.

However, right now as a Burke consumer, I'm more curious about day to day operations of the ski area. I plan on going in January and I hope it's being run well so I have an enjoyable day. I'll leave a note in the comment box on my way out the door saying the experience was great, but you're still arrogant fools for calling it Q Burke.

But, the hotel construction is happening. That's a dead issue.....until construction stops happening. Then would be a good time to discuss funding. By all means if you feel the need to keep this argument going on and on and on and on........have at it. Just know 99% are reading this crap and thinking.....

Well said, and too funny

 

[Masskier]

Snowing at mid Burke 4:45 PM

 

[VTKilarney]

Well said, and too funny

I didn't realize that you viewed Ary as the Dennis Rodman of the ski industry. Sanity prevails.


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[AdironRider]

I dont think Dennis Rodman is a great comparison really, because in reality, he was actually a decent basketball player.....

 

[WWF-VT]

Snowing at mid Burke 4:45 PM

What's the weather at Q Burke ?

 

[deadheadskier]

I dont think Dennis Rodman is a great comparison really, because in reality, he was actually a decent basketball player.....

....right. mainly referring to Rodman's media debacle with the whole N. Korea thing. It was astonishing how awful Rodman was with the media regarding that and Ary's foot in mouth comments have been equally bad at times.

 

[Masskier]

What's the weather at Q Burke ?

9:10 PM

Lower Base lodge 33 light rain with a little snow mixing in
Turns to snow at BMA
Mid Burke 32 with light snow

 

[WWF-VT]

9:10 PM

Lower Base lodge 33 light rain with a little snow mixing in
Turns to snow at BMA
Mid Burke 32 with light snow

Is Mid Burke the same place as Mid Q Burke ?

 

[VTKilarney]

9:10 PM

Lower Base lodge 33 light rain with a little snow mixing in
Turns to snow at BMA
Mid Burke 32 with light snow

POW day!!!!!




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[thetrailboss]

Is Mid Burke the same place as Mid Q Burke ?

 

[VTKilarney]

Is Mid Burke the same place as Mid Q Burke ?

Are you sure it isn't Q Mid Burke?

 

[SkiRaceParent]

I'd estimate somewhere between 2-3" overnight (between Sherburne and Mid-burke lodge).

 

[xwhaler]

I'd estimate somewhere between 2-3" overnight (between Sherburne and Mid-burke lodge).

Thats good to hear. Burke website only reported 1" so perhaps there's a bit more up there.
BW reported 5" and Cannon at 4" so Burke definitely was not as fortunate this time.

 

[fbrissette]

Looking at the bigger picture, you know all of those old people who tell you how much more it snowed in the old days? In this neck of the woods, at least, they are full of crap.

I'd be curious to know if the average snow pack depth has changed over the years due to a changed freeze-thaw cycle.

This is very nice example of a shift in data due to equipment change around 1970. Very difficult to trust these long historical records.

 

[VTKilarney]

This is very nice example of a shift in data due to equipment change around 1970.

For those of us that are laypersons, what does this mean?