Big Burke announcement

oldtimer · May 7, 2015

So there is the system- may be able to cobble up something that works with creativity, energy and good will from the likes of Cannon and Loon. BUT then you have the annual costs:
-- energy for snowmaking
-- fuel and personnel for groomers
-- increased maintenance on the T-bar if it is used more
etc-

I would LOVE to see it, but I fear it would be orders of magnitude more $ than the training fee. My fear is that they can no longer offer an Alpine ski team. It is too long a drive to Jay or Cannon for after school. They great coaches and a growing program but $ are a real issue at L.I. both for the institution and for the families.

They need an angel.

VTKilarney said:
I really wonder what Lyndon Institute will do. If I had to guess (and this is only a guess), they will suck it up for this year and in the meantime they will explore the possibility of putting in a basic snowmaking system at the Outing Club. Maybe I'm naive about the cost of a small, basic system, though. Too bad Lyndon State College is having serious budget issues. They would make a good partner, especially if there was a terrain park.

thetrailboss · May 7, 2015

oldtimer said:
So there is the system- may be able to cobble up something that works with creativity, energy and good will from the likes of Cannon and Loon. BUT then you have the annual costs:
-- energy for snowmaking
-- fuel and personnel for groomers
-- increased maintenance on the T-bar if it is used more
etc-

I would LOVE to see it, but I fear it would be orders of magnitude more $ than the training fee. My fear is that they can no longer offer an Alpine ski team. It is too long a drive to Jay or Cannon for after school. They great coaches and a growing program but $ are a real issue at L.I. both for the institution and for the families.

They need an angel.

Agree on all points.

halfpintvt · May 7, 2015

Has any one heard anything about Bill Stenger coming back to Burke to take over running the Mountain (instead of Little A) ?

oldtimer · May 7, 2015

NO- but I was encouraged that his name was on the press release that went out to pass holders today.

Also- that confirmed that the fan guys are going to Upper Training Hill.

River19 · May 8, 2015

Stenger would be an improvement over Jr......then IMHO an empty chair would also be an improvement, at least it wouldn't bring negative press to the place. That being said Stenger hasn't exactly been having a good year either......but he at least has some semblance of business sense.

Sad that a local high school and state college can't work a deal on the mountain right in their backyard and have to travel across state lines potentially to another hill. As we have always said, Jr. is probably the worst PR/Marketing nightmare I have been able to watch from the cheap seats.......

deadheadskier · May 8, 2015

Okay, I take everything back. Slam away. I asked if they'd be renting air compressors on facebook and this is the response I got. I'd suggest people go over there and tell him on facebook that there are two components to a snowmaking system; air and water. Both needed to be addressed. I'm sure the snowmaking will be better, but if he's going to be too cheap to rent compressors, I bet he'll still be cheap on hiring labor and running the guns.

Good Morning Ryan. Rather than renting compressors, part of this first phase is fixing our booster bump house which will solve our limitations in getting water to the upper mountain guns. This is a permanent fix versus temporary.

from_the_NEK · May 8, 2015

I more interested in the confirmation that the new hotel will indeed have a pool! :spin:

Masskier · May 8, 2015

from_the_NEK said:
I more interested in the confirmation that the new hotel will indeed have a pool!

From their facebook page

"Thanks, having updates on projects is appreciated. One question on the hotel; a "destination" Hotel without a pool?? Know you plan tennis/pool area at some point but also know that a pool, even a small one, is considered a "must" for many families. It had been included in original plans, still a possibility??" Like · Reply · Yesterday at 6:52am

Burke Mountain Resort Yes there will be a pool and jacuzzi associated with the hotel next to the gym. It will be open year round. I'm sure your family will enjoy it. Thank you for your concern.
Like · 1 · Yesterday at 8:04am

VTKilarney · May 8, 2015

Masskier needs a special sarcasm warning.

One has to wonder if BMA is really the entity responsible for both the new fan guns and the water pump. With those items installed, their training hill will be taken care of. In other words, how much of this year's work is thanks to BMA and how much is thanks to Q Burke? Perhaps Ski Race Parent can let us know.

from_the_NEK · May 8, 2015

Bill Stenger was at Burke today. As I was driving home, I happened to see him driving north on Rt 122 by the intersection near the covered bridge, back toward Jay Peak.

Looks like the top Facebook post confirms this

thetrailboss · May 9, 2015

from_the_NEK said:
Bill Stenger was at Burke today. As I was driving home, I happened to see him driving north on Rt 122 by the intersection near the covered bridge, back toward Jay Peak.

Looks like the top Facebook post confirms this

His post is a positive step

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halfpintvt · May 9, 2015

Bill Stengers post on the Burke Mountain Facebook page:

I hope you are pleased with the snow making commitments we have made for next season. Contracts have been signed and we are underway! The results you will see will be snowmaking as early in November as temperatures allow and a volume of production that will open more trails earlier in the season.
Today’s technology is based on the most volume of water using compressed air as efficiently as possible.
The SMI guns are large volume guns that require no compressed air because each tower gun has its own fan system which acts like its own compressor.
With this SMI system we are able to focus our compressed air system on the upper mountain. With the new booster pump system we will be able to run as many as 60 guns at a time and deliver more water at better pressure to the summit trail system.
This means more snow earlier and over more trails. This has been a long standing need at the resort and this need is now being met.
I promise you an aggressive operational effort with this system and what you’ll see is more snow, and more trails opened earlier. What you will also see is a season lasting as long as possible. We plan to be open into mid-April 2016. We are excited about this expansion and what it will mean to you, our most valued customers and ambassadors.
Sincerely, Bill Stenger.
General Partner
Q Burke Hotel and Conference Center
President, Jay Peak Resort.

Bill is back in Town! Yee Haw!

thetrailboss · May 9, 2015

Now just send Lil Q somewhere else.......

faQ · May 9, 2015

halfpintvt said:
Bill Stengers post on the Burke Mountain Facebook page:

I hope you are pleased with the snow making commitments we have made for next season. Contracts have been signed and we are underway! The results you will see will be snowmaking as early in November as temperatures allow and a volume of production that will open more trails earlier in the season.
Today’s technology is based on the most volume of water using compressed air as efficiently as possible.
The SMI guns are large volume guns that require no compressed air because each tower gun has its own fan system which acts like its own compressor.
With this SMI system we are able to focus our compressed air system on the upper mountain. With the new booster pump system we will be able to run as many as 60 guns at a time and deliver more water at better pressure to the summit trail system.
This means more snow earlier and over more trails. This has been a long standing need at the resort and this need is now being met.
I promise you an aggressive operational effort with this system and what you’ll see is more snow, and more trails opened earlier. What you will also see is a season lasting as long as possible. We plan to be open into mid-April 2016. We are excited about this expansion and what it will mean to you, our most valued customers and ambassadors.
Sincerely, Bill Stenger.
General Partner
Q Burke Hotel and Conference Center
President, Jay Peak Resort.

Bill is back in Town! Yee Haw!

I am not trying to be negative, etc, etc... sincerely. But last time " bill was back in town" he gave us the Q. Q me once...

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LONGBOARDR · May 10, 2015

I would not read into this too far.
IMO Bill is just making sure all looks nice for prospective Eb-5 investors to the Burke project as he is the lead on that front.
Lil Q is and will stay in charge, again IMO.

I hope you are pleased with the snow making commitments we have made for next season. Contracts have been signed and we are underway! The results you will see will be snowmaking as early in November as temperatures allow and a volume of production that will open more trails earlier in the season.
Today’s technology is based on the most volume of water using compressed air as efficiently as possible.
The SMI guns are large volume guns that require no compressed air because each tower gun has its own fan system which acts like its own compressor.
With this SMI system we are able to focus our compressed air system on the upper mountain. With the new booster pump system we will be able to run as many as 60 guns at a time and deliver more water at better pressure to the summit trail system.
This means more snow earlier and over more trails. This has been a long standing need at the resort and this need is now being met.
I promise you an aggressive operational effort with this system and what you’ll see is more snow, and more trails opened earlier. What you will also see is a season lasting as long as possible. We plan to be open into mid-April 2016. We are excited about this expansion and what it will mean to you, our most valued customers and ambassadors.
Sincerely, Bill Stenger.
General Partner
Q Burke Hotel and Conference Center
President, Jay Peak Resort.

Bill is back in Town! Yee Haw![/QUOTE]

faQ · May 11, 2015

LONGBOARDR said:
I would not read into this too far.
IMO Bill is just making sure all looks nice for prospective Eb-5 investors to the Burke project as he is the lead on that front.
Lil Q is and will stay in charge, again IMO.

I hope you are pleased with the snow making commitments we have made for next season. Contracts have been signed and we are underway! The results you will see will be snowmaking as early in November as temperatures allow and a volume of production that will open more trails earlier in the season.
Today’s technology is based on the most volume of water using compressed air as efficiently as possible.
The SMI guns are large volume guns that require no compressed air because each tower gun has its own fan system which acts like its own compressor.
With this SMI system we are able to focus our compressed air system on the upper mountain. With the new booster pump system we will be able to run as many as 60 guns at a time and deliver more water at better pressure to the summit trail system.
This means more snow earlier and over more trails. This has been a long standing need at the resort and this need is now being met.
I promise you an aggressive operational effort with this system and what you’ll see is more snow, and more trails opened earlier. What you will also see is a season lasting as long as possible. We plan to be open into mid-April 2016. We are excited about this expansion and what it will mean to you, our most valued customers and ambassadors.
Sincerely, Bill Stenger.
General Partner
Q Burke Hotel and Conference Center
President, Jay Peak Resort.

Bill is back in Town! Yee Haw!

[/QUOTE]

I am guessing season pass sales are down and Stenger is doing his "everything will be wonderful, follow me..." thing.

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River19 · May 11, 2015

In speaking with someone "close" to mountain ops, they said "good things will be happening soon up there".......very cryptic, but I'll sit back and have a beer and watch whatever it is unfold.

In other news, that 114 bridge work is a bit of a beast, necessary but will certainly alter patterns of deliveries to the mountain etc. for a few weeks.

KT trails are silly dry right now, saw about 4' of mud in a quick 10miles with my wife on Saturday.

thetrailboss · May 11, 2015

River19 said:
In speaking with someone "close" to mountain ops, they said "good things will be happening soon up there".......very cryptic, but I'll sit back and have a beer and watch whatever it is unfold.

In other news, that 114 bridge work is a bit of a beast, necessary but will certainly alter patterns of deliveries to the mountain etc. for a few weeks.

KT trails are silly dry right now, saw about 4' of mud in a quick 10miles with my wife on Saturday.

Which bridge are they working on?

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River19 · May 11, 2015

thetrailboss said:
Which bridge are they working on?

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One right in front of East Burke Mkt and the Burke Public House.

thetrailboss · May 11, 2015

River19 said:
One right in front of East Burke Mkt and the Burke Public House.

Ouch. That sucks.

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