Having beds *should* help with skier days, at least it would normally with any other resort. But with the management being as it is I don't think that success is guaranteed.
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Having beds *should* help with skier days, at least it would normally with any other resort. But with the management being as it is I don't think that success is guaranteed.
I think there will be initial indicators of success, as people check out the new hotel and kick the tires on things etc.
I think the true measure of success will be over the next couple seasons really. Do people actually come back? Kinda like a restaurant, initially it is a hot ticket to get a seating but if it is "meh" in any way, 12 months later it is more telling of their status in life....
Time will tell.....
VTKilarney
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IIRC, the real head scratcher about the night skiing is that there will be no trail with lighting from the hotel. So the hotel guests will presumably have to take a shuttle to partake in night skiing.
Agreed....to probably lesser of an extent because Q has burned so many bridges. The average skier, if there is snow, will surely be interested in checking it out.
VTKilarney
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I think the bridges that have been burned are mostly with locals, BMA, and bicyclists. Your average suburban family in the Boston area probably doesn't care at all. The real test will be how much snow they can put down for Christmas week. People aren't going to want to spend money at the hotel if there aren't a sufficient number of trails open.
agree 100%
I agree with that, but a fair number of those bikers are also skiers from outside the area (granted though these folks might not be interested in the Hotel as it is). The snowmaking, or lack thereof, as well as the customer service this year will be huge factors in their success or failure. Get some early cold weather or snow, get a decent management team in place and leave them alone, and I think they will do well. Have problems with snowmaking and/or continue with the utter douchbaggery that we have seen and they will be flat at best.
from_the_NEK
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Bingo. I have a feeling the lighting plan will have to expand a bit to service the Hotel. Having a couple of night trails including the terrain park open for Christmas would be a pretty big draw if there are lean conditions elsewhere. Lighting a trail has got to be a lot cheaper than snowmaking as well. I would say it would even help offset the cost of snowmaking by increasing the hours of skiing on those trails when they are primarily covered in man-made snow.
The LOC is certainly struggling. Last year they did okay I think with the consistent cold. However, unless they are able to get some sort of snowmaking system there, it is going to be a real struggle for them to open in the winters. And I think the overlap in customers for night skiing would be pretty small.
from_the_NEK
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And honestly, I don't think it is a terrible idea to put in a minor amount of night skiing. It could conceivably pay for itself in a year or two.
Here is the layerout in Google Earth. The drawing from the Act 250 site is incorrect in the bottom third of the terrain park as the rendering sends the trail and lighting into Masskier's Bear Path condos.
The yellow area is a polygon that I added where an expanded lighting system make sense to me. Most of this lighting entire lighting plan would be on trails that are mostly obscured from local viewpoints by trees and their location on the mountain, thereby reducing light pollution and potential complaints about the project.
Here is the layerout in Google Earth. The drawing from the Act 250 site is incorrect in the bottom third of the terrain park as the rendering sends the trail and lighting into Masskier's Bear Path condos.
The yellow area is a polygon that I added where an expanded lighting system make sense to me. Most of this lighting entire lighting plan would be on trails that are mostly obscured from local viewpoints by trees and their location on the mountain, thereby reducing light pollution and potential complaints about the project.
And honestly, I don't think it is a terrible idea to put in a minor amount of night skiing. It could conceivably pay for itself in a year or two.
Here is the layerout in Google Earth. The drawing from the Act 250 site is incorrect in the bottom third of the terrain park as the rendering sends the trail and lighting into Masskier's Bear Path condos.
The yellow area is a polygon that I added where an expanded lighting system make sense to me. Most of this lighting entire lighting plan would be on trails that are mostly obscured from local viewpoints by trees and their location on the mountain, thereby reducing light pollution and potential complaints about the project.
If it were me, I'd have lights on pretty much the entire lower mountain. That offers enough to keep folks entertained and would not require that much work in my mind.
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if you lit up the entire lower mountain half the NEK would complain you were killing their star gazing (the half that doesnt complain about the windmills).
I would be tempted to agree
VTKilarney
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I really hope that they plan on having a soft opening for the hotel. As tempting as it is to rake in the money during Christmas, almost nothing goes 100% smoothly at launch.
if you lit up the entire lower mountain half the NEK would complain you were killing their star gazing (the half that doesnt complain about the windmills).
I would be tempted to agree
True.
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I know two families staying there the week before x-mas. Will report once I get the report! intent is to go over and visit and sample the pool, of course.
Anyone know what the hotel is going to offer for skier amenities?
VTKilarney
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I've heard conflicting information as to whether the pool will be open year-round. Is this indeed the case?
Masskier
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The pool and hot tub are open year round.
Masskier
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Pub, coffee shop, steak house, fitness, hot tub and pool, ski/rental shop, arcade, store, cafeteria. In think that's most of them
VTKilarney
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That's very nice.
MEtoVTSkier
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Light up Warrens and have some night racing leagues off the Poma, already have the power run for the fanguns...
I stayed at both the Tram Haus and the new Hotel jay on some great pre christmas deals the year each of them opened and both had issues yet were well worth the $ because the skiing was pretty good for that time of year both times and the rates they offered were low enough to offset any inconveniences. I am sure it always takes some time to train staff and get everything working properly.
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