Big Burke announcement

[Keelhauled]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the normally open Sherman Pass -> Beech Seal, right? That's 6700 ft long, say averages 70 ft wide. They pump at 1000 gpm. To open they'd need 54 straight hours for an 18" base assuming they can convert 100% of that water to snow (not realistic: they got to have water returning so pipes don't freeze & less efficient snowmaking at warmer temps meaning even more will return to their ponds). Now add on that there's been melting and they don't have much money....

Realistically they need a bigger window like Magic's 5 days to open because of inherent inefficiencies of non-automatic snowguns. Many ski areas need on the order of 2 hours to turn a trail on from top to bottom once the pipes are fully charged. Now add on that they need to shut down and move the guns down the hill as they make the snow.

Makes sense they're not open yet.[/QUOTE]

Incidentally Bolton has announced opening day as the 26th on Bear Run only. For quite a while their typical opening was just the mid mountain lift, it's only in the last few years they've been opening top to bottom, so this year is hardly unprecedented (except in terms of the date...)

Also Bolton did not just build a hotel with other peoples' money and make a big hullabaloo about snowmaking upgrades, so it really shouldn't be surprising that they're not getting dragged through the mud about opening late. After all, they have always had rather uninspiring snowmaking, so this is par for the course for them given the year and the weather.

 

[VTKilarney]

Also Bolton did not just build a hotel with other peoples' money and make a big hullabaloo about snowmaking upgrades, so it really shouldn't be surprising that they're not getting dragged through the mud about opening late. After all, they have always had rather uninspiring snowmaking, so this is par for the course for them given the year and the weather.

Bingo. And Bolton didn't make their snowmaking system worse.

 

[deadheadskier]

But it's also a competitor to Burke, has had larger snowmaking windows, more natural snow, likely more revenue to make snow with.......and they still are right where Burke is.

 

[doublediamond]

But it's also a competitor to Burke, has had larger snowmaking windows, more natural snow, likely more revenue to make snow with.......and they still are right where Burke is.

But BurQue won't open until the 8th.

 

[Keelhauled]

Yeah but the point is in terms of newsworthiness Burke has been deeply involved in the EB-5 program, which is of more than passing interest in VT, and has used the program to make major investments that aren't showing results. This is especially true if the hotel delay is a result of some kind of bureaucratic mess between the resort and the state. If Burke had self-financed their investments I don't expect there would be news reports about their failure to open. After all, "Resort uses controversial immigrant investment money to build improvements that fail to deliver" is a more interesting headline than "Resort picks terrible year to spend money in."

 

[from_the_NEK]

But it's also a competitor to Burke, has had larger snowmaking windows, more natural snow, likely more revenue to make snow with.......and they still are right where Burke is.

Thank you. That was the point I was trying to make. But I guess....

I guess comparing Bolton to Burke on potential snowmaking shortcomings when the weather is poor is now verboten?

 

[deadheadskier]

Apparently.... Given that 70 simultaneous gun potential for next year at Burke is still considered "poor"

 

[VTKilarney]

I guess comparing Bolton to Burke on potential snowmaking shortcomings when the weather is poor is now verboten?

Nobody has come even close to saying that. All that has been said is that there are different angles involved. EB-5 is not a Star Wars robot. And VTDigger has a particular interest in EB-5 related happenings. I can't say that I blame them.

To suggest that complaining about Burke's snowmaking is "hating" is silly. Their snowmaking really does suck. It's not an exaggeration at all. It's reality.

 

[from_the_NEK]

Their snowmaking really does suck. It's not an exaggeration at all. It's reality.

To suggest that complaining about Burke's snowmaking is "hating" is silly.

What I'm suggesting is that complaining here is so over the top, that when a comparison to another resort is made about the difficulty of making snow this year, everyone jumps to the defense of the other resort and piles on even harder on Burke. That is called hating.

 

[VTKilarney]

They are going to have some work to do after temps hit sixty degrees tomorrow.

 

[wtcobb]

They are going to have some work to do after temps hit sixty degrees tomorrow.

So will everyone else I'm afraid...

 

[VTKilarney]

I can't believe they aren't making snow today! WTF!

 

[deadheadskier]

Why WTF?

 

[VTKilarney]

Why WTF?

It was a joke. It's sixty degrees out.

 

[River19]

8-12" possible on Tuesday

 

[mriceyman]

8-12" possible on Tuesday

would be a big help


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[from_the_NEK]

Guns blazing this morning:
BurkeMorningSnowmaking by Tim_NEK, on Flickr

 

[deadheadskier]

Looks ttb. Wonder how many guns

 

[thetrailboss]

Guns blazing this morning:
BurkeMorningSnowmaking by Tim_NEK, on Flickr

That looks A LOT better. More like the old Burke.

 

[from_the_NEK]

Looks ttb. Wonder how many guns

It is kind of deceiving. Only TTB on the upper mtn.