I don't think that it is Bill's call at all. It is Daddy Q calling the shots with Burke. Bill is only trotted out to save face. Over the years I think he has done what he can to stay out of Burke if he can because he is powerless.
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I don't think that it is Bill's call at all. It is Daddy Q calling the shots with Burke. Bill is only trotted out to save face. Over the years I think he has done what he can to stay out of Burke if he can because he is powerless.
VTKilarney
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The booking engine is now only accepting hotel reservations starting February 5th. Just yesterday it was taking reservations starting January 23rd.
Agree, I don't think he has any power at Burke whatsoever.
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Longtime lurker here. I was a Burke passholder for many years and am again this year after a hiatus. I neither own property in the area nor have any affiliation with BMA, so don't have any "skin" in the game, so to speak. Just someone who loves Burke for its terrain and character and have been witness to the various fits and starts over the past 15 years or so.
I agree with VTK's assessment of the passholder meeting the other day. Overall, it was laughable. However, it is worth noting that a few folks who identified themselves as longtime (far, far longer than me) Burke supporters voiced their support and appreciation for the current efforts and plan. This may have been after VTK left. Were these folks making a political "public display" of their support? Hard to say.
Ary failed to directly answer any but the most basic yes/no questions. For example, will the general public continue to be able to park at mid-Burke after the hotel opens? Answer: Yes. All other responses alternated between attacking the messenger, or deflecting and playing the blame game, pointing fingers anywhere and everywhere.
After Ary told the audience that there was nothing they could do to "help", a few other constructive suggestions were offered, and one attendee pointed out to Ary that several ways for supporters to "help" had just been identified, encouraging him to reach out for help. He essentially ignored the suggestion and moved on.
I truly feel for those who did or do work for him. I've worked for many of these types before, and only those who cannot - or choose not to - think for themselves will stick around. End result - he makes all the decisions. And when they are bad ones, the blame game starts, and we all get to suffer the results. Sad and extremely frustrating.
I agree with VTK's assessment of the passholder meeting the other day. Overall, it was laughable. However, it is worth noting that a few folks who identified themselves as longtime (far, far longer than me) Burke supporters voiced their support and appreciation for the current efforts and plan. This may have been after VTK left. Were these folks making a political "public display" of their support? Hard to say.
Ary failed to directly answer any but the most basic yes/no questions. For example, will the general public continue to be able to park at mid-Burke after the hotel opens? Answer: Yes. All other responses alternated between attacking the messenger, or deflecting and playing the blame game, pointing fingers anywhere and everywhere.
After Ary told the audience that there was nothing they could do to "help", a few other constructive suggestions were offered, and one attendee pointed out to Ary that several ways for supporters to "help" had just been identified, encouraging him to reach out for help. He essentially ignored the suggestion and moved on.
I truly feel for those who did or do work for him. I've worked for many of these types before, and only those who cannot - or choose not to - think for themselves will stick around. End result - he makes all the decisions. And when they are bad ones, the blame game starts, and we all get to suffer the results. Sad and extremely frustrating.
Welcome to the Boards and thanks for the comments. The community does care about the mountain. This shows that when you decide to turn your back to them you'd better have the resources to compensate. Here he does not. It's too bad.
Too bad we have a manager who won't use the (usually) windproof Willoughby Quad.
fbrissette
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You got to wonder. Ariel Quiros is certainly not an idiot and not the type of person who would like to waste money. May be he can't think straight because his son is involved, or it may be that he's playing a long-game that we cant figure out.
I think it is the fact that it is his son. Logic would have said you give the resort to Bill and Company to manage and leave them alone, just like he has done with Jay.
Or maybe we did figure out the game, and the SEC is figuring out a portion that interests them and things will get interesting over the next 12 mos.....I think someone just has to follow the money and connect some dots.....
from_the_NEK
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It is windy enough today that I'm sure even the Willoughby chair would be on hold.
mbedle
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Wow - sugarbush closed all their lift today. Must be bad out up there.
Jully
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Wildcat too
exactly-i seems the "long-game" is to make as much $ off of EB-5 fees and the selling of mountain land back to the investor projects at a massive markup for as long as the government will let them.
and i don't believe bill and co ever wanted, or cared to, run Burke. they have their own mountain (and water park and 3 hotels) to run. and with most of stenger's time being spent raising and collecting and apologizing for lying about the duo's EB-5 fund raising, he's pretty busy even without Jay, imho.
VTKilarney
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Good point. I wonder how much the hotel investors paid for the land underneath the hotel. I'm thinking that there was just a little bit of a markup.
mbedle
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I think the land is leased to the LP.
fbrissette
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Agreed. In the mean time they run the mountain as to minimize operating costs.
Yeah, but I don't think that Bill even was supposed to be involved with Burke. From what folks have said it sounds like this was only a Q venture.
VTKilarney
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That's why I will be watching closely to see what they invest in snowmaking this summer.
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