Cannon Mountain...thoughts

[thetrailboss]

The State does not make the Statements of Income and Expenses available online. Data can be purchased at a per-page fee from Concord.

Nice try. How about posting the PDF of the entire report that you have rather than cherry picking items that support your POV? If it is what you say it is, then you have nothing to worry about.

And I only suggest that because sometimes passion and emotions can cloud what is really going on. Let's have the real facts for us to interpret.

 

[jack97]

I have heard that the accounting changes were via a directive that was issued.

That chart makes no sense. The summer operation now has the highest energy cost. Red flag!!!!!

Did other NH state parks or NH departments do this as well?

Sometimes, a consumer with large buying power can leverage better terms for purchase. I recall several years back, i could of have purchase oil at rates determed in fall but for use during winter. Moreover, I constantly hear deals where you can purchase items and pay portions of this in the future. This way, the sellers can ensure revenue streams during the slow/non peak months.......kind of radical thinking if you asked me.

 

[threecy]

Nice try. How about posting the PDF of the entire report that you have rather than cherry picking items that support your POV? If it is what you say it is, then you have nothing to worry about.

Nice try? If you want to see the statements posted in a downloadable format, purchase them from Concord and post them. Otherwise, I assume they'll eventually make their way online.

 

[threecy]

Did other NH state parks or NH departments do this as well?

My understanding is that this is a parks division decision.

 

[thetrailboss]

Nice try? If you want to see the statements posted in a downloadable format, purchase them from Concord and post them. Otherwise, I assume they'll eventually make their way online.

Why not give us the raw information that you obviously have to let us decide? You're stalling here and on NELSAP.

It just seems odd that you insist on putting out the facts but when asked for the whole story, be it a very vague story about a "Vietnam War vet" trying to hike on the ski trails or now these income reports that are public records that you have "but are not available," you balk.

It seems clear that you are spinning things and slanting them to advance your view point rather than engaging in a worthwhile discussion by bringing all the facts to the table for folks to discuss. In the end you insist on always being right and it really erodes your credibility.

Hell, at one point yesterday you were calling me and others a communist and anti-capitalist and then you got upset about the head of the AMC getting paid $300k a year. That's quite a contradiction!

 

[jack97]

My understanding is that this is a parks division decision.

Do you have data to which supports your understanding?

 

[Cannonball]

Cross posted from SnowJournal.

The claim is that Cannon Mountain ski area has been profitable since the 2007-2008 season (FY08 ).

Check out what they started doing with their energy expenses that same year:

Way to go Cannon!! It's great to see a large ski area reigning in their energy usage.

Also, thanks for pointing out the cross-post. It's nice to see that people on all sites disagree with you.

 

[threecy]

Why not give us the raw information that you obviously have to let us decide? You're stalling here and on NELSAP.

If you wish to acquire the raw data in a downloadable format, I have suggested you purchase it from Concord. Otherwise, have patience.

Hell, at one point yesterday you were calling me and others a communist and anti-capitalist and then you got upset about the head of the AMC getting paid $300k a year. That's quite a contradiction!

It's a shame you're getting to the point in this thread in which you're accusing me of calling you a communist.

 

[deadheadskier]

If you wish to acquire the raw data in a downloadable format, I have suggested you purchase it from Concord. Otherwise, have patience.

You obviously didn't pay for that info did you? I mean when Cannon loses $1M in a season it costs you about 66 cents, so if you're that uptight about such a small amount of money, I'd imagine giving Concord money for information on a public park is the last thing you'd really do.

So, I'm guessing you know someone.

You really get off on having 'insider info' don't you?

but what I really want to know is why you care so much about Cannon costing you 66 cents a year when they lose a million and saving you 33 cents a year if a lease produces the revenue for the state that Sunapee does. There has to be a personal ax to grind somewhere in this situation for you to be so concerned over a dollar a year.

 

[thetrailboss]

If you wish to acquire the raw data in a downloadable format, I have suggested you purchase it from Concord. Otherwise, have patience.

That's the third time that you have stalled. Doesn't matter to me...in 60 pages you've lost pretty much all credibility.

It's a shame you're getting to the point in this thread in which you're accusing me of calling you a communist.

You post like clockwork. Honestly, if you stopped and thought before making a knee jerk reaction, or at least read what you wrote, you'd go further in winning friends and influencing people. Here is the implication that you made:

There was no commercial ski area when the park was created. There also doesn't appear to be an issue with the AMC making money off the Lonesome Lake Hut, located at the southern foot of Cannon Mountain, nor does there seem to be an issue with a private operator making money off concessions at Cannon Mountain. I'm pretty sure my father fought Communists during the Cold War because, in part, the US believed profit wasn't a bad thing (as compared to the opponents).

It's pretty clear that you state that anyone who is opposed to profit, or in this case the lease, is a communist.

And then you go on to complain about how AMC's CEO makes $300k a year:

Firstly, this "non profit" pays its Executive Director over $300,000 a year.

You just tried to defend AMC as a non-profit.

That's a contradiction, amongst the many you've made. Hate to tell you but in a capitalist system good talent, be it for charitable non-profits or Fortune 500 Companies, comes at a price. That's how it works. You can't be flying the flag of capitalism to support your argument for the lease and then bit%6ing about how much money a non-profit pays its CEO via a private contract.

It makes sense of course to you because you only care about always being right. That's fine. Have at it because that's all you want to convey.

 

[thetrailboss]

There has to be a personal ax to grind somewhere in this situation for you to be so concerned over a dollar a year.

This is just an educated guess from threecy's own site. Looks like a dispute between private landowners and folks who want to use their land. The State got involved. Some folks were selling and distributing trail maps directing folks to portions of privately owned property.

 

[Puck it]

This is just an educated guess from threecy's own site. Looks like a dispute between private landowners and folks who want to use their land. The State got involved. Some folks were selling and distributing trail maps directing folks to portions of privately owned property.

I would not say ax.

 

[deadheadskier]

So, threecy was illegal cutting trails on Public lands and posting trail maps online? Is this true Threecy?

 

[Puck it]

So, threecy was illegal cutting trails on Public lands and posting trail maps online? Is this true Threecy?

Uh,oh!

 

[Black Phantom]

This is just an educated guess from threecy's own site. Looks like a dispute between private landowners and folks who want to use their land. The State got involved. Some folks were selling and distributing trail maps directing folks to portions of privately owned property.

Why not ask him if he still beats his wife?

 

[AdironRider]

Why not ask him if he still beats his wife?

I brought this up back around page 40.

Threecy was cutting illegal trails then posting up maps and stuff. Resulted in a couple hundred acres (maybe thousands ... not sure) getting shut down to public access.

He goes by Rocket21 on other boards. Needless to say, his character rings true there as well.

 

[thetrailboss]

Why not ask him if he still beats his wife?

DHS asked why it seemed that he had a serious issue with the State. I went to threecy's own page and found that information. As to what he did I don't know exactly, but I do know that he has a very strong opinion about that situation.

 

[Black Phantom]

That was not the intent. DHS asked why it seemed that he had a serious issue with the State. I went to threecy's own page and found that information. As to what he did I don't know exactly, but I do know that he has a very strong opinion about that situation.

What exactly is your intent? He has supplied info to support his postition and has done so quite calmly against those with a rather circular argument to say the least. This is not a trial.

Your speculation is rather suspect. Are you going to go so far as to put his name out here and continue your charade? You are getting close.

His stance has been quite clear and is supported by many in the State of NH.

 

[jack97]

His stance has been quite clear and is supported by many in the State of NH.

His stance includes spin, which reminds of the political talking heads that are so prevalent these days. I truly wish this privatization issue would go to a state ballot instead of it getting ram rodded for (a yay or a nay) by either political party.


Full disclosure.... I'm a registered independent, I trust neither of the two major parties.

 

[deadheadskier]

I don't think there's anything wrong with questioning the motives behind someone's stance on this issue. If the allegations are true, then I would conclude that this is about politics, not money and that his feelings are so strong because he's got a saw to sharpen with Concord.

As mentioned, we are talking 66 cents per resident if Cannon loses a million. 66 cents. Quite frankly, I'm a bit pissed my representatives are even spending any time at all discussing 66 cents per resident. Not even a drop in the bucket of the state budget. Of course, Threecy throws out scare tactics saying other programs will need to be cut over that 66 cents. give me a break