Chair falls from lift at Attitash

[JimG.]

Never have had and never will have a Facebook account. Small forums like this are the extent of my social media presence.

Same here, this forum for skiing and another for my fishing in summer.

Just realized I joined here over 20 years ago. And while many will laugh, I like it here mostly because nobody who is a regular here takes themselves too seriously.

Mostly.

 

[thetrailboss]

I don’t know if this has been posted yet…..

NH tram safety board member: 'No indicator' of problem with Attitash ski lift before accident

Ski industry officials are stressing their safety record after a chair fell at Attitash Mountain Resort.

www.nhpr.org

Looks like Zoom Zoom posted it but I don’t see any discussion about it.

And in case anyone was wondering:

Attitash and Vail Resorts did not respond to questions from NHPR about the steps they took in response to that information.

 

[thetrailboss]

Personally never met or skied with anyone on here. It would be interesting to meet some of you characters. I'd love to ski with Kusty some day as your sense of humor hits the spot! The other guy I'd love to ski with is Jim from DC/UT,... love seeing your pictures that you post. I come here to occasionally post and also just to take a break in my day at work to see what's going on. Lots of entertainment and I even get some good info on ski equipment. My only Pet Peeve are the Rob Katz memes that are constantly posted,... its gotten kind of old.

So the long and the short of it is that one can't make everyone happy and if you don't like it you can go to another thread. I mainly focus the memes in the VAIL SUCKS thread and honestly the intent is to bring humor to what are usually some pretty shitty scenarios involving Vail and how it treats its customers. Most folks find it to be a nice comic relief from what is a lot of negativity. As to that thread, I've also heard a handful of complaints about it being negative, but the thread clearly warns the reader what to expect. Finally, the memes spur conversation which is the purpose of the forum. And if it really bothers you, then you can always click the "Ignore" button in my profile.

I'm only here for the Katz memes

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Thanks guys!

 

[kingslug]

Same here, this forum for skiing and another for my fishing in summer.

Just realized I joined here over 20 years ago. And while many will laugh, I like it here mostly because nobody who is a regular here takes themselves too seriously.

Mostly.

 

[PAabe]

Reddit sucks especially the big default subreddits which you inevitably find yourself in. Every time I get sucked back in I end up swearing it off again shortly. Worse than facebook even, in terms of everybody hating the world, everyone in it, and especially themselves.

This forum, nyskiblog, DCski, and PAskiandride all have great content that is informative about current goings on and conditions and certainly have huge affect on when/where/how I decide to ski. There is much more informative content than tgr, skitalk and especially reddit - straight up inaccurate as others have said and to be honest I dont think there is nearly as much east coast content posted there as the cumulative sum of each of the regional east coast forums. This forum and PAskiandride are pretty funny too

For any web forum I like that there is a finite "end" to the content every day that you can't doom scroll, and the posts are actually from recurring characters and plot lines rather than random dubious and disjointed tidbits. Yes, I am entertained

Save GSS

 

[thetrailboss]

Reddit sucks especially the big default subreddits which you inevitably find yourself in. Every time I get sucked back in I end up swearing it off again shortly. Worse than facebook even, in terms of everybody hating the world, everyone in it, and especially themselves.

This forum, nyskiblog, DCski, and PAskiandride all have great content that is informative about current goings on and conditions and certainly have huge affect on when/where/how I decide to ski. There is much more informative content than tgr, skitalk and especially reddit - straight up inaccurate as others have said and to be honest I dont think there is nearly as much east coast content posted there as the cumulative sum of each of the regional east coast forums. This forum and PAskiandride are pretty funny too

For any web forum I like that there is a finite "end" to the content every day that you can't doom scroll, and the posts are actually from recurring characters and plot lines rather than random dubious and disjointed tidbits. Yes, I am entertained

Save GSS

GSS. Oh my that whole thing was interesting!

 

[djd66]

And if it really bothers you, then you can always click the "Ignore" button in my profile.

then I would miss out on your other posts that I actually do enjoy reading. It’s nothing personal with you TB, I get it you are trying to lighten things up.

 

[jimk]

I apologize for big time thread drift, but if you want a pictorial of the kinds of fun folks I've met over the years through online ski forums check this out.

 

[doublediamond]

So if this is not the model with the issues they were discussing, then what was?

I ask because the Tram Board minutes specifically pointed out Attitash, Canmore, Loon, Waterville Valley, and Wildcat ... all with the same mid-90s Dopp HSQs, as the one at Heavenly.

Why is the Board now covering up for Vail?

 

[kendo]

This is exactly the sort of thing I was referring to pre-season when I mentioned I was alarmed how much stuff isn't being addressed, like broken fixtures or toilet roll holders, graffiti not quickly addressed, lifts not painted in years, myriad clocks displaying incorrect time, etc... and how when you see a bunch of small things like that that seemingly are trivial, it can actually be indicative of larger problems. Either management incompetence, lack of money, refusal to spend money, or perhaps some of all-of-the-above.

Agree. Wondering... if one was unable to open the primary Exit door at the Octagon (Stowe) due to 2' of snow drifted against it, would that be a F&B or Mtn Ops fail?!?

Exit door was blocked from opening out from 8am to at least 10am yesterday. Had to open the Entrance door (inward) to exit. Emergency exit on lower level also drifted in. Kitchen was running, looked to be the normal staff of 4 or 5, and lots of folks were inside thawing out...

 

[thetrailboss]

So if this is not the model with the issues they were discussing, then what was?

I ask because the Tram Board minutes specifically pointed out Attitash, Canmore, Loon, Waterville Valley, and Wildcat ... all with the same mid-90s Dopp HSQs, as the one at Heavenly.

Why is the Board now covering up for Vail?

I don’t know if the Board is covering up, but SkiNH, the industry group, is trying to help Vail because they own four areas in NH.

 

[abc]

There's your lesson on the Internet and Social Media for the day, ABC.

my real life friends and partner have no interest whatsoever in my vertical or the good snow in the woods above 2500”

yes, we do care about the good snow you find, but nobody gives a shit about your vertical.

I bow to the superior mind of Mr. know-it-all (and Mr speak-for-all). Male mind.

 

[machski]

So if this is not the model with the issues they were discussing, then what was?

I ask because the Tram Board minutes specifically pointed out Attitash, Canmore, Loon, Waterville Valley, and Wildcat ... all with the same mid-90s Dopp HSQs, as the one at Heavenly.

Why is the Board now covering up for Vail?

Yeah, the Team Board minutes on that notice is a bit odd. Loon for example. They have to be discussing the now Seven Brothers Express (formerly Kanc Quad). Of course, it went through extensive overhaul and modernization prior to reinstall at Seven Brothers so does that one really have potential issues now??

 

[thetrailboss]

LiftBlog posted this in its weekly update.

https://www.firemarshal.dos.nh.gov/news-and-media/investigation-continues-chairlift-malfunction-ski-resort

 

[zoomzoom]

this event may result in doppelmayr coming in and doing a full maintenance program on the grips {100% teardown, NDT of critical areas, physical inspections, replace parts as need}, terminal maintenance {adjust position switches, cable-to-rail set-up} and an offer to come in and perform the req'd maint if it can't be done in-house.

I'm sure the root cause of this failure was discovered pretty quickly. doppelmayr will want to get their lift back to 100% and safely operating again, as the optics of their product isn't good at the moment.

 

[machski]

this event may result in doppelmayr coming in and doing a full maintenance program on the grips {100% teardown, NDT of critical areas, physical inspections, replace parts as need}, terminal maintenance {adjust position switches, cable-to-rail set-up} and an offer to come in and perform the req'd maint if it can't be done in-house.

I'm sure the root cause of this failure was discovered pretty quickly. doppelmayr will want to get their lift back to 100% and safely operating again, as the optics of their product isn't good at the moment.

Or Dopp may want to distance themselves from this event. It's not like this is a few years old lift, it's 30 years old and has gone through how many different owners now? Kind of like when I tied had a few wheels fall off some older Boeings, Boeing quickly distanced itself as they had no ownership of the maintenance since those birds were new over 20 years before. It was the responsibility of the operator to maintain the equipment (Airline) and regulator to ensure compliance with said maintenance (FAA). In this case, resort operator and NH Tram Board ensures maintenance is followed correctly (along with insurance carrier which actually often drives more compliance these days than state team boards).

 

[kingslug]

I could ask my neighbor..but i doubt he would talk about it..

 

[thetrailboss]

Or Dopp may want to distance themselves from this event. It's not like this is a few years old lift, it's 30 years old and has gone through how many different owners now? Kind of like when I tied had a few wheels fall off some older Boeings, Boeing quickly distanced itself as they had no ownership of the maintenance since those birds were new over 20 years before. It was the responsibility of the operator to maintain the equipment (Airline) and regulator to ensure compliance with said maintenance (FAA). In this case, resort operator and NH Tram Board ensures maintenance is followed correctly (along with insurance carrier which actually often drives more compliance these days than state team boards).

It seems odd that folks at the scene said that the Grip Sensor alarm went off, and yet the NH Tram Board report indicated that there was no prior warning before the incident. And, again, it also seems weird that such fatigue cracking was not caught sooner through NDT.

 

[machski]

It seems odd that folks at the scene said that the Grip Sensor alarm went off, and yet the NH Tram Board report indicated that there was no prior warning before the incident. And, again, it also seems weird that such fatigue cracking was not caught sooner through NDT.

Yeah, well reports online about lift issues are always very accurate . As to the grip fatigue and NDT, it is possible this grip was due to go this summer for its test rotation and as such could have developed over the past 3 seasons between its inspection interval. Especially if it were somehow damaged and not noticed by lift ops within that period.

 

[cdskier]

I don't interpret the "no prior warning" from the tram board statement to mean specifically that no sensor was tripped this one specific time and then proper protocols weren't followed after that to restart the lift. The way it is worded indicates they did not believe this was something that could have been foreseen to potentially occur (i.e. there were no repeated issues/sensor faults in days/weeks leading up to this accident that were repeatedly ignored/bypassed).