Complaining about skiing in CT.....is this a thing now?

[C-Rex]

I haven't checked but I think the base at Sundown is deeper than most of the places up north. Small hill + killer snowmaking = lots of snow to work with. I rode that bump run Friday night. It was more like an obstacle course but I can see how it will develop. Definitely a fun section.

I gotta say, the parks have improved a lot over the past couple years. I just wish they'd put in one or two more jumps so you could hit a nice line. I'm not big on jibs so riding the whole park for one good hit gets boring.

 

[planb420]

Pretty sure J. said its gonna be just one jump this year.

 

[jarrodski]

Pretty sure J. said its gonna be just one jump this year.

that's what i say... but I also change my mind a lot... Jumps take a lot of snow. when we get to an actual winter weather pattern i'll free myself up for more creativity... in the mean time, I'm not digging into base if i can help it.

 

[C-Rex]

that's what i say... but I also change my mind a lot... Jumps take a lot of snow. when we get to an actual winter weather pattern i'll free myself up for more creativity... in the mean time, I'm not digging into base if i can help it.

Perfectly understandable. But if we do get some good snow, how about a nice big hip/spine? That would make this customer VERY HAPPY!

 

[planb420]

in the mean time, I'm not digging into base if i can help it.

YES.....PLEASE DONT!

But as C-Rex said a hip would be stellar.....maybe on the lower right side of Toms, just above and to the right of the roller. Set up a gun on the next cold snap and just let her go!

 

[Savemeasammy]

It is more like an obstacle course at first, but once the troughs start forming and/or they get a top coating they will run into each other. You end up with some big bumps with man eater troughs in the lines skied most often. NO symmetry! A sterile bump course is not what we're after.

I know it looks weird, that's what everyone thinks at first, but it works. A few years ago the seeds on Gunbarrel started out closer together than that, and they never formed right. It took quite a bit of work with shovels and ski bashing to get them good.

This is interesting to me. I thought the whole point of seeding bumps was to achieve some degree of symmetry. Out of curiosity, why do you feel it necessary to seed bumps rather than just let them form on their own...? Is it just to have SOME control of the spacing?

I'm also sort of curious about the pitch of this run. Can someone make a reasonable comparison of this run to something in NH or VT that some of us might be familiar with?


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[jack97]

This is interesting to me. I thought the whole point of seeding bumps was to achieve some degree of symmetry. Out of curiosity, why do you feel it necessary to seed bumps rather than just let them form on their own...? Is it just to have SOME control of the spacing?

I'm also sort of curious about the pitch of this run. Can someone make a reasonable comparison of this run to something in NH or VT that some of us might be familiar with?


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in most cases the symmetry is lost once the troughs and shoulders gets skied in. imo, the spacing or formation is the key and allows for short turns.

at sundown, they seeded either, N'easter, Gunbarrel and once Stinger. IIRC, they have the same pitch as the natural bumps at crotched, under rocket, ufo/equinox. Same pitch as okemo sel's choice and sunapee's liftline.

 

[MadMadWorld]

in most cases the symmetry is lost once the troughs and shoulders gets skied in. imo, the spacing or formation is the key and allows for short turns.

at sundown, they seeded either, N'easter, Gunbarrel and once Stinger. IIRC, they have the same pitch as the natural bumps at crotched, under rocket, ufo/equinox. Same pitch as okemo sel's choice and sunapee's liftline.

A number of those trails that you mention at other mountains do get seeded. A quick youtube search pulls up videos from Sundown that show much better seeded bumps. You can see that they were indeed built with symmetry. In the sense that each bump is a certain distance from the next and same thing for each row.

 

[Tin]

in most cases the symmetry is lost once the troughs and shoulders gets skied in. imo, the spacing or formation is the key and allows for short turns.

at sundown, they seeded either, N'easter, Gunbarrel and once Stinger. IIRC, they have the same pitch as the natural bumps at crotched, under rocket, ufo/equinox. Same pitch as okemo sel's choice and sunapee's liftline.

Same pitch but the natty bumps under the Rocket and UFO/Equinox can have random VW Beetle sized bumps, natural rolls, or small ant hills that make it so at some point you are going airborne if you want to keep that line. The bumps Crotched appeared to seed under the Valley Quad were spaced very far apart and had flats instead of troughs. The seeded ones on Gunny last year and on World Cup at Stratton were all cookie cutter sized and had perfect spacing. Both are a ton of fun but I was amazed at the difference.

 

[jack97]

A number of those trails that you mention at other mountains do get seeded. A quick youtube search pulls up videos from Sundown that show much better seeded bumps. You can see that they were indeed built with symmetry. In the sense that each bump is a certain distance from the next and same thing for each row.

I mentioned the Crotch and they lets those trails bump up by skiers or riders, no seeding. The vids do show symmetry but its deceiving once you in the mix, they are not exactly spaced apart.

 

[jack97]

Same pitch but the natty bumps under the Rocket and UFO/Equinox can have random VW Beetle sized bumps, natural rolls, or small ant hills that make it so at some point you are going airborne if you want to keep that line.

lol.... i did get airborne on one of them under rocket. I heard a women gasp as I did so, luckily, it was after on of the storms and I had soft snow to fall on.

 

[Tin]

There are always a couple of lips you can really fly off on the middle section of Pluto's. It was interesting to see it early in the year without snow on it. It is a very uneven, rocky area with lots of mounds and ledges that get covered up. My personal favorite was my sister's boyfriend not realizing the pitch of Jupiter's and jumping one right before the steepest section and coming to a stop about 60' down hill. Have it on video somewhere.

 

[Savemeasammy]

in most cases the symmetry is lost once the troughs and shoulders gets skied in. imo, the spacing or formation is the key and allows for short turns.

at sundown, they seeded either, N'easter, Gunbarrel and once Stinger. IIRC, they have the same pitch as the natural bumps at crotched, under rocket, ufo/equinox. Same pitch as okemo sel's choice and sunapee's liftline.

Of the trails you mention, I am only familiar with Sunapee. Are you referring to the trail "liftline" which is a blue square under the sunbowl chair (which does have bumps), or flying goose which is under the triple in the front of the mountain? Neither of these are steep at all - but they are both fun to ski. Low angle bumps can be just as enjoyable as the steep stuff!

It sounds like there are a lot of bumps right under my nose at crotched. I will definitely have to pay them a visit.


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[jack97]

Of the trails you mention, I am only familiar with Sunapee. Are you referring to the trail "liftline" which is a blue square under the sunbowl chair (which does have bumps), or flying goose which is under the triple in the front of the mountain? Neither of these are steep at all - but they are both fun to ski. Low angle bumps can be just as enjoyable as the steep stuff!

It sounds like there are a lot of bumps right under my nose at crotched. I will definitely have to pay them a visit.


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yep.. sunappee's liftline at the bowl.. imo, flying goose is on the steep side (but not as steep as whaleback's face) in the middle section that has a long section but the top section has a tame pitch.

crotched opened a new section last year, jupitor storm, steeper than goose. They leave skier's left ungroomed and it formed up real nice, it had one scraped section but the rest was sweet. i think they have some skiers that can rip an old school short turn.

 

[jack97]

There are always a couple of lips you can really fly off on the middle section of Pluto's. It was interesting to see it early in the year without snow on it. It is a very uneven, rocky area with lots of mounds and ledges that get covered up. My personal favorite was my sister's boyfriend not realizing the pitch of Jupiter's and jumping one right before the steepest section and coming to a stop about 60' down hill. Have it on video somewhere.

the lips where i flew off, what messed me off was some exposed rocks..... i thought my best option was some air!

what is deceptive about pluto is that the pitch is constant and that trail is long, so its quite easy to pick up speed and once that happens it can freak someone out.

 

[Tin]

Long story short...Sundown's seeded bumps are awesome and easier to ski than natural bumps. The warmer temps make skiing them easier as well.

 

[powhunter]

Just saw this 2 hr midweek tix for $31

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[2knees]

What the hell is that crap? Are those supposed to be seeded moguls. I get what they are trying to do buts that's terrible.

they get better in the spring on a different trail.

 

[powhunter]

That looks like Mr. Knees in the pic

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[MadMadWorld]

they get better in the spring on a different trail.

Those look great obviously but the seeding doesn't look all that great in the recent pics compared to YouTube videos I've seen from years past. Just my opinion and I hope the get some monster bumps from it.