COVID concerns in the Northeast

[dblskifanatic]

Based on some of the posts on this forum, I am not sure people are following quarantine rules in Vermont. Which I suspected would be the case. One example is the case where a NY state person is asking about skiing in VT,

Are the ski areas managing this?

 

[cdskier]

Based on some of the posts on this forum, I am not sure people are following quarantine rules in Vermont. Which I suspected would be the case. One example is the case where a NY state person is asking about skiing in VT,

Are the ski areas managing this?

Just because a NY state person is asking about skiing in VT doesn't mean they're not following (or planning to follow) the quarantine rules. Now if someone says they plan to ski Hunter one day and Mt Snow the next, then you know that person isn't following the rules.

Not sure what you mean by "are the ski areas managing this" though. The resorts are supposed to require you to attest that you're following the rules (although for the most part they have no idea whether you're telling the truth...). Mike Solimano from K in an interview/news article did state they would suspend/revoke skiing privileges for people not following the rules if they found out about any blatant cases.

 

[dblskifanatic]

So how does that work? If a person from MA goes to another state for the weekend, then technically they are required to quarantine, right? How many people are going out of state and returning and it is business as usual.

Personally - I do not care!

 

[cdskier]

So how does that work? If a person from MA goes to another state for the weekend, then technically they are required to quarantine, right? How many people are going out of state and returning and it is business as usual.

Personally - I do not care!

I honestly don't follow MA's rules...so I couldn't tell you what they require.

I know VT's rules...which are that if you leave the state of VT (or go to VT from another state), you are required to quarantine for 14 days (the quarantine can be done in your home state before going to VT if you're driving to VT in a personal vehicle). You can also shorten the quarantine requirement to 7 days if you get a test.

And yes, I agree with you that I'm sure there are many people not following the rules. But also don't assume that just because someone is from another state that they're not following them. Some are, some aren't.

 

[chuckstah]

So how does that work? If a person from MA goes to another state for the weekend, then technically they are required to quarantine, right? How many people are going out of state and returning and it is business as usual.

Personally - I do not care!

Seeing all the MA plates at Crotched, a day trip area, not many are following the MA rules. Lot is constantly full and most plates are red. Maybe a handful get tested upon re-entering MA, but nobody I know does.

 

[Smellytele]

Seeing all the MA plates at Crotched, a day trip area, not many are following the MA rules. Lot is constantly full and most plates are red. Maybe a handful get tested upon re-entering MA, but nobody I know does.

Same at pats peak where more than half the cars are from MA. Sprinkle in a few from NY I saw the other day plus saw a DC plate as well

 

[icecoast1]

Based on some of the posts on this forum, I am not sure people are following quarantine rules in Vermont. Which I suspected would be the case. One example is the case where a NY state person is asking about skiing in VT,

Are the ski areas managing this?

Not much the ski areas can do aside from having you sign a meaningless statement saying you're following the rules. I've read/seen online that some lodging establishments are restrictive on who they'll rent to but theres also ways around that. At the end of the day none of it is enforceable on a large scale

 

[dblskifanatic]

And yes, I agree with you that I'm sure there are many people not following the rules. But also don't assume that just because someone is from another state that they're not following them. Some are, some aren't.

I agree with that as well!

 

[BenedictGomez]

Based on some of the posts on this forum, I am not sure people are following quarantine rules in Vermont. Which I suspected would be the case. One example is the case where a NY state person is asking about skiing in VT,

Are the ski areas managing this?

Nobody is following it. My wife had 2 students go to Vermont last weekend, which, I imagine they only told her because they know she's a Vermonter. Honestly, the horse is so far out of the barn at this point anyway, I consider state-level quarantines essentially meaningless at this point from the standpoint of effectiveness.

 

[dblskifanatic]

Nobody is following it. My wife had 2 students go to Vermont last weekend, which, I imagine they only told her because they know she's a Vermonter. Honestly, the horse is so far out of the barn at this point anyway, I consider state-level quarantines essentially meaningless at this point from the standpoint of effectiveness.

I think a majority of the people have covid fatigue and are going about things as close to normal as they were pre-covid and are ignoring all these rules that are hard enough to follow. I know we have lived our lives close to normal this whole time since March! I would go crazy living in fear. I have a brother-in-law that has not stepped out of his home but for a few necessary times since March - he is truly afraid. At this stage, he is starting to go bonkers.

When orders were to stay at home my wife and I stayed outside!

We went to a restaurant last week, sat down, took off our face masks and the waitress said we had to keep face masks on until we have a beverage or food in front of us - so I asked for water. Like the 5 minutes in a restaurant prior to getting food is going to make a difference.

 

[Funky_Catskills]

Greene County(Hunter and Windham) has taken a turn for the worse..

Greene tops Capital Region COVID charts

With nine COVID-19 deaths reported in the last week and an 11.8% positivity rate, Greene County has the highest infection rate in the Capital Region and Columbia County has one

www.hudsonvalley360.com

 

[abc]

I think a majority of the people have covid fatigue and are going about things as close to normal as they were pre-covid and are ignoring all these rules that are hard enough to follow. I know we have lived our lives close to normal this whole time since March! I would go crazy living in fear. I have a brother-in-law that has not stepped out of his home but for a few necessary times since March - he is truly afraid. At this stage, he is starting to go bonkers.

When orders were to stay at home my wife and I stayed outside!

We went to a restaurant last week, sat down, took off our face masks and the waitress said we had to keep face masks on until we have a beverage or food in front of us - so I asked for water. Like the 5 minutes in a restaurant prior to getting food is going to make a difference.

Just because you don't follow the rules doesn't mean others don't. That's pretty arrogant statement by the way.

And your point of "ignoring all these rules that are hard enough to follow", that's very much the issue, both pro and con. As long as a decent portion of people are following SOME of the rules, it helps! Yes, it's hard to enforce to make it 100%. And strict enforcement itself may do more harm than good. Though there should be SOME enforcement against the most blatant violators. Otherwise, it becomes a total waste of paper!

Personally, I feel rules should be reasonable and its purpose clearly communicated. Then more people will follow. That would benefit everyone. Unfortunately, that's not what the governments are doing. They make unreasonable rule that they don't bother to enforce even .1% of the time.

 

[Tdizzle]

Greene County(Hunter and Windham) has taken a turn for the worse..

Greene tops Capital Region COVID charts

With nine COVID-19 deaths reported in the last week and an 11.8% positivity rate, Greene County has the highest infection rate in the Capital Region and Columbia County has one

www.hudsonvalley360.com

Supposedly, Greene is really high because of the outbreak in the prison. Still, workers come and go. It's a little freaky.

 

[Funky_Catskills]

Supposedly, Greene is really high because of the outbreak in the prison. Still, workers come and go. It's a little freaky.

Still way higher than last spring even without the prison. I'm terrified to even go down near the prison to shop etc... I used to think I was safe on the mountaintop here - but that's not true anymore - the bubble is broken.

 

[NYDB]

................I know we have lived our lives close to normal this whole time since March! I would go crazy living in fear. I have a brother-in-law that has not stepped out of his home but for a few necessary times since March - he is truly afraid.............

I think most people are somewhere in the middle. You don't have to be 'living in fear' to order takeout to eat at home instead of eating and drinking in a bar or restaurant. You don't have to be living in fear to only do essential travel. Same with opting to work from home and not sit all day in an office with other people.

4k people died yesterday from covid. And don't look now but it looks like case numbers are heading back up after peaking post thanksgiving.

 

[1dog]

Just because you don't follow the rules doesn't mean others don't. That's pretty arrogant statement by the way.

And your point of "ignoring all these rules that are hard enough to follow", that's very much the issue, both pro and con. As long as a decent portion of people are following SOME of the rules, it helps! Yes, it's hard to enforce to make it 100%. And strict enforcement itself may do more harm than good. Though there should be SOME enforcement against the most blatant violators. Otherwise, it becomes a total waste of paper!

Personally, I feel rules should be reasonable and its purpose clearly communicated. Then more people will follow. That would benefit everyone. Unfortunately, that's not what the governments are doing. They make unreasonable rule that they don't bother to enforce even .1% of the time.

or comply with themselves. Leading ( from behind) by example.

 

[drjeff]

Just because you don't follow the rules doesn't mean others don't. That's pretty arrogant statement by the way.

And your point of "ignoring all these rules that are hard enough to follow", that's very much the issue, both pro and con. As long as a decent portion of people are following SOME of the rules, it helps! Yes, it's hard to enforce to make it 100%. And strict enforcement itself may do more harm than good. Though there should be SOME enforcement against the most blatant violators. Otherwise, it becomes a total waste of paper!

Personally, I feel rules should be reasonable and its purpose clearly communicated. Then more people will follow. That would benefit everyone. Unfortunately, that's not what the governments are doing. They make unreasonable rule that they don't bother to enforce even .1% of the time.

The reality right now, unlike last Spring, is COVID is basically everywhere geographically.

Taking a uniform approach for all, instead of different approaches based on imaginary lines drawn on a map, would have likely simplified things, and potentially increased compliance as of late (probably far too late now to make a change like that with any meaningful result.

The next big challenge will be how to handle the ever increasing number of people who now have antibodies to COVID via either having had it and recovered or via immunization, whereas that group of people ISN'T going to be a risk at spreading or contracting the disease? At what percentage of the population with antibodies do we really start rolling back the restrictions as well as how much personal risk, especially amongst the say sub 40 and healthy crowd? Since the reality is that for a very long time, even eventually in small numbers, there will always be deaths from COVID, as well as slight mutations to the virus as well, which is something that we've already seen multiple times already (The European variant, the Chinese variant, this new quicker spreading apparently variant, and even another new variant with a South African origin that I just read about this morning - none of which appear to be more lethal than others)?

 

[KustyTheKlown]

i just got an email advertising $98 direct flights to vail and aspen airports in feb and march of this year. this felt the apropos place to share that tidbit.

 

[dblskifanatic]

i just got an email advertising $98 direct flights to vail and aspen airports in feb and march of this year. this felt the apropos place to share that tidbit.

round trip or one way? My wife is booking us flights that are 99 each way per person to Denver from/to Boston so about $429 after other fees and taxes.

@abc I am not being arrogant. We follow the rules, with masks and social distancing, washing hands & face, etc., I am going to live my life! We do not go mingle with strangers, We do not do large social gatherings etc. Heck we didn't even meet with relatives over Thanksgiving and Christmas - I bet others did here. We will go out to eat - it is allowed, we will do outdoor activities - it is allowed, we will travel and when we return we will quarantine since we both work from home, we will trsvel to NH since it is allowed. That is not being arrogant! That is living within the parameters that have been set.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

round trips. pretty crazy. i'm firmly in the camp of will not travel further than i can drive myself during a pandemic, but have at it. its a scott's cheap flights e-mail. i used to subscribe but don't anymore. a friend who still subscribes fwd this earlier.