COVID concerns in the Northeast

[NYDB]

Someone, not clear who, got ‘redlined’ at SB yesterday. Had to sign yet a 3rd attestation form to ski.
Think the code reads last time skied.

As for the church/conservative/anti-mask comments, my church is full of sinners, I'm a poster boy for that moniker - I don't know who said this, but its a good place to type it out: 'In life, it's important to know when to stop arguing with people and simply let them be wrong.'

If you skied last weekend, and then this weekend...how do they know you weren't in VT the entire time in between?

 

[JimG.]

As we close in on a year of restrictions on our "normal" lives as they used to be, I doubt that anyone who hasn't already gone absolutely crazy out of anxiety and fear and social isolation, questions some attempts, to go against what our elected officials say to do, just to try and get some social interaction in a person to person form rather than a person to computer screen form.

I sincerely hope that the youth of today, who so desperately NEED socialization as part of their normal psychological development, aren't irreparably harmed by this. Heck, you have some younger kids especially, thinking that just breathing air may cause you to get very sick or kill you because of how some parents choose to phrase things to their kids. That instilled fear, isn't likely something some will easily let go of moving forward

What he said.

The fear mongering is reprehensible.

 

[cdskier]

If you skied last weekend, and then this weekend...how do they know you weren't in VT the entire time in between?

I'm curious about this too...

 

[drjeff]

I'm curious about this too...

Basically they don't. Unless of course they want to take the time, effort, and funds to do things like trace your cellphone location or credit card usage during the week.

Could they do that? Sure

Will they do that? Very doubtful, unless potentially one does something else that is agregious enough to draw some serious attention from the authorities....

 

[cdskier]

Basically they don't. Unless of course they want to take the time, effort, and funds to do things like trace your cellphone location or credit card usage during the week.

Could they do that? Sure

Will they do that? Very doubtful, unless potentially one does something else that is agregious enough to draw some serious attention from the authorities....

I think what both myself and NY Dirtbag are looking for is more details on what 1dog said happened with someone being "redlined" and why that person was flagged. I agree with you that I would think they don't simply flag people for skiing only weekends even if they have a home address out of state. That simple act isn't worthy of being flagged (case in point would be myself who even though I'm now at my condo in VT full-time, I still will mainly only ski weekends and still have a "home address" of NJ).

 

[drjeff]

I think what both myself and NY Dirtbag are looking for is more details on what 1dog said happened with someone being "redlined" and why that person was flagged. I agree with you that I would think they don't simply flag people for skiing only weekends even if they have a home address out of state. That simple act isn't worthy of being flagged (case in point would be myself who even though I'm now at my condo in VT full-time, I still will mainly only ski weekends and still have a "home address" of NJ).

I wonder if that person had used their IKON in say NH or ME in the previous VT quarantine period since they had probably last used it at a VT IKON resort?

 

[thetrailboss]

I wonder if that person had used their IKON in say NH or ME in the previous VT quarantine period since they had probably last used it at a VT IKON resort?

Did the person not sign the affidavit for the pass? Maybe that was the issue.

 

[cdskier]

Did the person not sign the affidavit for the pass? Maybe that was the issue.

The post from 1dog claimed this was now the 3rd time this person had to sign the attestation...

 

[KustyTheKlown]

a buddy skied windham one day and stratton the next and nothing happened at either mountain or by email

 

[JimG.]

He may

a buddy skied windham one day and stratton the next and nothing happened at either mountain or by email

He may have gotten lucky. This would be a surefire way to track someone and prove they violated restrictions.

IF VT wanted to.

 

[ss20]

It would not be hard to track where a person's skied if it's all on the Ikon or Epic database. However, I HIGHLY doubt a mountain would actually go through the trouble of not letting a person ski because of where the pass has been used. The mountain wants you to sign the paper so they're not liable for some idiot's choices, then hope they buy beer and a burger for lunch.

If this WAS happening I'm sure we'd of heard about it by now. I have not heard of such a thing on here. Maybe if someone's on the many many skiing Reddit forums they could find an incident as that's a much larger sample size than this forum.

 

[1dog]

The post from 1dog claimed this was now the 3rd time this person had to sign the attestation...

they skied no other area since previous weekend. MA residence, but owns a house in VT. Signed form 3X - once online, once at the ticket office and again last Sat. Skied Sunday with no issue. Its just strange, and the ticket attendant could not ( or would not) verify why the pass holder was 'redlined'. As some suggest, they could track a lot of things, but why, unless incredible outbreak or some other nefarious reason. At least at Sugarbush, they have a pass through scanner at bottom of entrance, so if your pass is inactive, you don't go all the way to lifts THEN have to backtrack down to ticket office. This fellow didn't go thru since he went thru the 1st time he skied back in early Dec. He has 6 or 7 days in at Bush.

 

[NYDB]

I think what both myself and NY Dirtbag are looking for is more details on what 1dog said happened with someone being "redlined" and why that person was flagged. I agree with you that I would think they don't simply flag people for skiing only weekends even if they have a home address out of state. That simple act isn't worthy of being flagged (case in point would be myself who even though I'm now at my condo in VT full-time, I still will mainly only ski weekends and still have a "home address" of NJ).

Right. So even though I am probably not using my IKON this winter, I did sign the generic attestation for IKON in VT saying you comply with regulations in case I end up using the pass this winter. That form didn't ask how you were complying with VT's restrictions - only that you were.

Just for example - Magic's attestation was more specific. They asked whether you were a VT resident, in VT at your second home for the duration of winter, or an out of state visitor complying with VT's quarantine restrictions. That seems like an easier task to flag people who aren't complying if you were trying to identify covid scofflaws (not that I think Magic is going to).

Just wondering why someone has to sign the attestation 3x. I mean, why have them sign again if you know they aren't complying? Because its all bullshit would be the answer I guess. Or maybe they are accumulating evidence against the party (doubt it)

 

[cdskier]

Right. So even though I am probably not using my IKON this winter, I did sign the generic attestation for IKON in VT saying you comply with regulations in case I end up using the pass this winter. That form didn't ask how you were complying with VT's restrictions - only that you were.

Just for example - Magic's attestation was more specific. They asked whether you were a VT resident, in VT at your second home for the duration of winter, or an out of state visitor complying with VT's quarantine restrictions. That seems like an easier task to flag people who aren't complying if you were trying to identify covid scofflaws (not that I think Magic is going to).

Just wondering why someone has to sign the attestation 3x. I mean, why have them sign again if you know they aren't complying? Because its all bullshit would be the answer I guess. Or maybe they are accumulating evidence against the party (doubt it)

Sounds like Magic's attestation is very similar to MRG's as well. They had those different potential scenarios listed and you chose which one you were doing.

 

[ss20]

they skied no other area since previous weekend. MA residence, but owns a house in VT. Signed form 3X - once online, once at the ticket office and again last Sat. Skied Sunday with no issue. Its just strange, and the ticket attendant could not ( or would not) verify why the pass holder was 'redlined'. As some suggest, they could track a lot of things, but why, unless incredible outbreak or some other nefarious reason. At least at Sugarbush, they have a pass through scanner at bottom of entrance, so if your pass is inactive, you don't go all the way to lifts THEN have to backtrack down to ticket office. This fellow didn't go thru since he went thru the 1st time he skied back in early Dec. He has 6 or 7 days in at Bush.

Sounds more like an IT thing with the form not connecting to the dude's pass rather than the Quarantine Police tracking him.

 

[Edd]

I haven’t skied VT this season. If I did a quick day trip to Okemo or Mt Snow would I need to sign anything? I understand it would be breaking the VT rules.

 

[drjeff]

I haven’t skied VT this season. If I did a quick day trip to Okemo or Mt Snow would I need to sign anything? I understand it would be breaking the VT rules.

Actually sign something? No

Check the box at the end of making your reservation process that you understand the COVID protocols and specific state travel guidelines? yes

There is no document that you have to sign on property, the day that you are skiing/riding

 

[SLyardsale]

Actually sign something? No

Check the box at the end of making your reservation process that you understand the COVID protocols and specific state travel guidelines? yes

There is no document that you have to sign on property, the day that you are skiing/riding

Correct, with Epic, you attest EVERYTIME you make a reservation. If you drill down on that box you check, it is all there. I've attested over 30x now.

 

[zoomzoom]

" The next big challenge will be how to handle the ever increasing number of people who now have antibodies to COVID via either having had it and recovered or via immunization, whereas that group of people ISN'T going to be a risk at spreading or contracting the disease? "



i don't understand this, am reading this wrong i think. once vaccinated, you can't spread covid?

 

[abc]

i don't understand this, am reading this wrong i think. once vaccinated, you can't spread covid?

Because that's unproven. So it's possible they CAN spread it.

Hence the danger.