Death at Cannon

[fcksummer]

Not complaining... Just stating my opinion.
I don't enjoy seeing fences...

Not sure why that's bad...

Nobody is asking for fences to make the place look better. Not sure why you keep bringing up your opinion on how they look. The discussion is how to prevent more deaths and serious injuries not how to aesthetically improve this one corner.

 

[from_the_NEK]

I thought you were checking to see if we read the fine print

 

[deadheadskier]

Something Hunter does is to create a barrier with grooming.

In addition to having blasted out the sides of the mountain with more dynamite than probably any area in the East. That was likely done in part to provide safe trails to ski on at Hunter.

That's what most of us here are hoping to avoid. Cannon going dynamite crazy. I'd rather the fence than mass terrain alteration.

 

[Funky_Catskills]

Nobody is asking for fences to make the place look better. Not sure why you keep bringing up your opinion on how they look. The discussion is how to prevent more deaths and serious injuries not how to aesthetically improve this one corner.

And I agreed that a more natural approach using shrubs etc would be better..

But really... I just hate seeing fences..

I bring up my opinion because that's what people do in conversations..
Just because my opinion isn't held by 99% of this board doesn't make any less to me...

 

[Funky_Catskills]

In addition to having blasted out the sides of the mountain with more dynamite than probably any area in the East. That was likely done in part to provide safe trails to ski on at Hunter.

That's what most of us here are hoping to avoid. Cannon going dynamite crazy. I'd rather the fence than mass terrain alteration.

That was done in the 60's.... It's now illegal to do so..
It was done to make the mountain skiable for all levels..
Not for safety.. And I do think it's ugly... I look at it every day.. I also think the stripping of all the hemlocks was a bad thing..
Humans suck... What can I say...

Step back from the Hunter thing for a second and listen to what I said..
They create walls out of snow... Maybe a meter high.. On some double fall lines..

 

[gmcunni]

a fence at the corner my daughter skied off might have saved her from the TBI she sustained. on the other hand, the helmet she had on saved her life (said the neurosurgeon).

 

[Funky_Catskills]

a fence at the corner my daughter skied off might have saved her from the TBI she sustained. on the other hand, the helmet she had on saved her life (said the neurosurgeon).

Sorry to hear this...
How is she now?

 

[Jcb890]

a fence at the corner my daughter skied off might have saved her from the TBI she sustained. on the other hand, the helmet she had on saved her life (said the neurosurgeon).

Best wishes to your daughter and your family. I'm unfamiliar with the story and don't want you to need to re-hash anything, so just want to say "best wishes".

 

[gmcunni]

Sorry to hear this...
How is she now?

mostly fine, thanks for asking. it was a few seasons ago. she may have lingering effects the rest of her life (just had follow up with neurologist monday) but she'll learn to deal with it, nobody is perfect.

 

[Puck it]

Here is a video of Upper Ravine. The corner in question is at 0:57 roughly. You can also see the fence at the bottom of the Skylight turn shortly after.

[video]http://claimmyrun.com/watch/1913/?emb=7[/video]

 

[deadheadskier]

That was done in the 60's.... It's now illegal to do so..
It was done to make the mountain skiable for all levels..
Not for safety..

Those are contradicting statements

They create walls out of snow... Maybe a meter high.. On some double fall lines..

Limited real estate to work with there for this technique, but it would be worth a shot. Better than nothing.

Cannon has other areas that concern me too. There's the "Usual spot" at the split for Extension and Rock Garden. Last year I saw a four year old girl lose control and catapult into the woods at speed. She went right in between two snowmaking hydrants and had some how missed the trees. Lucky to be alive.

 

[Funky_Catskills]

Those are contradicting statements

Trust me it was about aesthetics more than safety..
People didn't care about safety as much back then..
People were as litigious..

 

[Funky_Catskills]

mostly fine, thanks for asking. it was a few seasons ago. she may have lingering effects the rest of her life (just had follow up with neurologist monday) but she'll learn to deal with it, nobody is perfect.

Humans are amazing...
We can come back from all kinds of stuff...

My thoughts to you...

 

[dlague]

Killington has nettng in numerous spots around the mountain, has for years, some of it permanent others maintained daily.

Thank you!

 

[Abubob]

May have missed it - but has anyone considered that he may have not been able to see where he was going given the undercast that day? I've skied into clouds like that before and it is very disorienting. Sometimes you can't even see the snow beneath your skies.

Again - does no one feel visibility was a factor?

 

[Cannonball]

Again - does no one feel visibility was a factor?

I wasn't there that day. But the AZ reports and pics from that day suggest that it was pretty clear from top to bottom when this happened late in the day. http://forums.alpinezone.com/showthread.php/138136-Cannon-3-26-16

 

[dlague]

Those are contradicting statements



Limited real estate to work with there for this technique, but it would be worth a shot. Better than nothing.

Cannon has other areas that concern me too. There's the "Usual spot" at the split for Extension and Rock Garden. Last year I saw a four year old girl lose control and catapult into the woods at speed. She went right in between two snowmaking hydrants and had some how missed the trees. Lucky to be alive.

I never thought about that area needing anything. With that in mind, we could get carried away with the idea of fencing - there are trees everywhere, there re areas where a trail either to the left or right might drop off a lot past the groomed edge, there are plenty of trail splits are obviously dangerous as well.

Examples: Jester at Sugarbush after the first big turn it opens up to a drop off, someone died at a trail split at Stowe on Nosedive, Goats Run has a bad often icy corner that has drop offs. There are lots of steeper trails with turns at the bottoms that could be bad of an edge were caught. i do believe that the industry will reach a safety level where nets will be the norm for dangerous areas. When I was younger a teenager ran into a lift tower and died - back then there was no padding. Today padding around lift towers is the norm more often then not.

http://www.liski.it/allegati/referenceGSR.pdf

 

[witch hobble]

I wasn't there that day. But the AZ reports and pics from that day suggest that it was pretty clear from top to bottom when this happened late in the day. http://forums.alpinezone.com/showthread.php/138136-Cannon-3-26-16

Not to get bogged down in details of tragedy, but do we know it was late in the day?

 

[witch hobble]

It is an awkward spot where the cool, groovy, turny, part of Ravine bangs a hard right and becomes a bit of a traverse/catwalk feeder/collector trail down to the lift.

 

[JDMRoma]

Not to get bogged down in details of tragedy, but do we know it was late in the day?

I did read that it was end of day as in last run of the day.


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