Environmental Damage at Cannon Mountain Ski Area

[threecy]

More photos published, more to come.

http://www.taxpayersforcannon.com/environmental.php

How do you get rid of an old lift structure? Push it into the woods and backfill over it!

 

[from_the_NEK]

More photos published, more to come.

http://www.taxpayersforcannon.com/environmental.php

How do you get rid of an old lift structure? Push it into the woods and backfill over it!

Chunks of wood and metal being pushed off to the side into a hole doesn't really seem like a huge issue to me. While unsightly when there is no snow covering it, is that hazardous waste? Removing that material from the top of the mountain would have meant more trips up and down the access road leading to even more erosion, and expenses.

I love it when people come into an active worksite (or a recently completed one) and expect it to look like this

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Granted there are definitely some erosion concerns there and they should be fixed.

 

[thetrailboss]

I am not the only person involved with this project. I'm the only person posting on ski forums about it, though.

What "project?"

The damage was present early this spring and has continued to increase. I have walked access roads at Sugarbush, Waterville, etc. this spring and summer - not such issues. One of the big problems on the Cannon access road is that machines were driven through water bar berms without repairing them.

And imagine the damage had they not used a helicopter to install the lift towers, but instead used ground equipment! :lol:

 

[thetrailboss]

More photos published, more to come.

http://www.taxpayersforcannon.com/environmental.php

How do you get rid of an old lift structure? Push it into the woods and backfill over it!

FWIW I have seen many areas including Sugarbush, Burke, Killington, etc. that do the same thing on private and public land. I'm still not convinced that this is anything to be really concerned about. Now if there was a drum of toxic waste leaking out then yes, I would be concerned, but this looks like nit-picking to me.

 

[Trekchick]

More photos published, more to come.

http://www.taxpayersforcannon.com/environmental.php

How do you get rid of an old lift structure? Push it into the woods and backfill over it!

Chunks of wood and metal being pushed off to the side into a hole doesn't really seem like a huge issue to me. While unsightly when there is no snow covering it, is that hazardous waste? Removing that material from the top of the mountain would have meant more trips up and down the access road leading to even more erosion, and expenses.

I love it when people come into an active worksite (or a recently completed one) and expect it to look like this

.

Granted there are definitely some erosion concerns there and they should be fixed.

FWIW I have seen many areas including Sugarbush, Burke, Killington, etc. that do the same thing on private and public land. I'm still not convinced that this is anything to be really concerned about. Now if there was a drum of toxic waste leaking out then yes, I would be concerned, but this looks like nit-picking to me.

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Besides, that type of "dumping" (if you want to call it that) is often used to help with erosion control.

Sorry threecy, but you've lost a lot of credibility with me.

 

[jimmywilson69]

While I am not a fan of dump and cover, it is a widely used practice. This particular instance is an example of not finishing out the cover. Again, wasn't the state over seeing this? If I am the client and I give the ok to buldoze a building, I am going to expect that it is completely covered so that it doesn't look like the above picture. Since it's an old lift shack, it's just some wood and metal, Won't even be recognizable in a year or two.

 

[UVSHTSTRM]

More photos published, more to come.

http://www.taxpayersforcannon.com/environmental.php

How do you get rid of an old lift structure? Push it into the woods and backfill over it!

While the picture does look ugly, un-natural, etc, I don't see the big deal. Afterall, isn't a ski resort itself un-natural and ugly to many? Also they are building a CVS in the town where I live and have been hauling the wood, concrete and dirt from the previous structure to the local ski hill to back fill for a larger parking lot.

 

[UVSHTSTRM]

.................here we go on are way to another 75 post thread involving Cannon. Killington is so 2007.

 

[deadheadskier]

:lol:

 

[bvibert]

I wish threecy's new website wasn't blocked by our firewall, so I could see what all the fuss is about... :-?

 

[SIKSKIER]

Threecy's agenda has now become ridiculous

Have you spent any time at other resorts to inspect for this kind activity?I bet you probably have not since you don't have it out for them.If you have I'm sure you have turned the other cheek and never posted it.I'll guarantee every ski area has debris from old lits and infrastructure off to the side of trails.

Didn't see you post anything negative about Sunday River when thay had that huge washout at the Barker base area a few years back.You have lost all objectivity in your one sided all out operation against Cannon.

I'm afraid what might be next is a group spawned from this hate that starts to burn lift shacks.

 

[djspookman]

if you want to talk environmental damage, don't drive a car....

Concrete and wood pushed over a bank are hardly damage. I'm also willing to bet Cannon will shore those waterbars up soon too, That's quite a project to undertake sometimes.

 

[threecy]

Have you spent any time at other resorts to inspect for this kind activity?I bet you probably have not since you don't have it out for them.If you have I'm sure you have turned the other cheek and never posted it.I'll guarantee every ski area has debris from old lits and infrastructure off to the side of trails.

I'll be glad to take your bet. In the past month or so I have been on Sugarbush, Gunstock, Dartmouth, and Waterville's access roads. Gunstock removed the Gunshy Double this spring with just about zero environmental impact. Waterville reinforces its elevated gravel access road steeps with TRG. Sugarbush South tends to use culverts in place of waterbars in questionable drainage areas.

Most ski areas have boneyards. High elevation trash heaps from 2010, on the other hand, are not common, especially with taxpayer funded projects.

Concrete and wood pushed over a bank are hardly damage.

There is also metal and plastic in the trash heap.

 

[thetrailboss]

I wish threecy's new website wasn't blocked by our firewall, so I could see what all the fuss is about... :-?

B you must not be cool enough to see his page! :lol:

 

[deadheadskier]

High elevation trash heaps from 2010, on the other hand, are not common, especially with taxpayer funded projects.
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but this thread isn't about anti-state running of Cannon???

 

[threecy]

but this thread isn't about anti-state running of Cannon???

Perhaps you can provide me with a list of words that I'm not allowed to use in this thread.

 

[Geoff]

FWIW I have seen many areas including Sugarbush, Burke, Killington, etc. that do the same thing on private and public land. I'm still not convinced that this is anything to be really concerned about. Now if there was a drum of toxic waste leaking out then yes, I would be concerned, but this looks like nit-picking to me.

Not in recent memory at KMart. Anything they do gets looked at through the Act 250 microscope. They also have to pull a stormwater permit any time they put a shovel in the ground.

For example, they're demolishing the K Peak lodge this summer. They're required to haul EVERYTHING off the mountain. They're required to repair the water bars on weekends from the midweek truck traffic.

Here is the Act 250 info for the project:
http://www.anr.state.vt.us/site/cfm/act250/detail.cfm?ID=25881

3.*All*building*material*removed*from*the*existing*Killington*Base*Lodge*should*be*trucked*off*of*state*forest*land*and*properly*disposed*of*according*to*Vermont*regulations.
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4.*Killington*should*maintain*erosion*control*structures*on*the*work*roads*used*for*transportation*of*materials*(both*on*and*off*the*mountain)*at*all*times.*Water*bars*will*be*repaired,*if*damaged,*to*prevent*erosion*during*weekends*or*periods*of*prolonged*wet*weather.*

They've been replacing snowmaking pipe over the last 5 years. All the old pipe has to get hauled off the hill.

 

[Nick]

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Having been in the construction business for 25 years, I can say that sites often look like that before the "finished project" is complete.
Its hard to believe that Cannon's intent was to leave it like that.

Makes me wonder if they ticked someone off, someone who has enough clout to go after them.

Yeah, prior to my present job I was a construction PM and it just looks like some runoff. Completely fixable.

Hell, my street looks like that since the road hasn't been completed yet.

 

[bvibert]

B you must not be cool enough to see his page! :lol:

Clearly the corporation I work for agrees...

 

[Trekchick]

I wish threecy's new website wasn't blocked by our firewall, so I could see what all the fuss is about... :-?

Perhaps that's the day's way of saying,......nothing to see here, move along.