Growing into skis

[JimG.]

Have you had any issues with todays foam core lines??? Maybe the old feelings you have have since vanished? honestly the guns are my first pair of foam cores, but I do like them and havent noticed any issues with them...just wondered if all the probelms you had with the old straight skis have vanished due to advanced technologies?

basically though it just effects how fast you can get from edge to edge on the ski right? Seems that sidecut combined with the camber may have fixed this "issue"??

I'll have to keep an eye on it...see if I notice anything, likely more tired legs at the end of a day...I try not to pay attention to things like this..I just try to ski.

thanks..

M

I try new foam cores every year...and I still don't really like them. Compared to wood, the flex just isn't right for me.

New skis have less camber because you really don't need it anymore...shaped geometry makes it superfluous for the most part. And I feel that width underfoot has alot more to do with edge to edge quickness than anything else.

 

[SkiDog]

From my limited understanding: more camber is better on groomers. Less camber is better in powder. The more you kill your Guns the better they will be in powder, less tip dive. And those are last years Bro's, this years have a lot less camber.

Man I hate it when a young kid tells me what to do.. ... you are wise beyond your years young man.....I bet you only hang with older people now..I bet you relate to them better...I know when I was younger I ALWAYS had much older friends...just clicked that way...i will assume the same with your level or intelligence..

I do think I now understand "camber"...and honestly..I dont think it will ever bother me...as long as the edges are sharp and the skis are waxed...im sliding...but more float would be nice..they already float pretty good...I think though I do remember reading that the Volant Spats were "reverse camber" therefore your theory of less in powder is right on.. (maybe it was the pontoons)..

Man those BRO's were WAY cambered...wild...gotta be pretty heavy just to get em to sit on the snow...looks almost like double camber..

M

P.S. I think I always knew what camber meant...jsut never equated it to anything that effected my skiing..

 

[SkiDog]

I try new foam cores every year...and I still don't really like them. Compared to wood, the flex just isn't right for me.

New skis have less camber because you really don't need it anymore...shaped geometry makes it superfluous for the most part. And I feel that width underfoot has alot more to do with edge to edge quickness than anything else.

Gotcha...again...everyones different...thats why there are soo many choices...

do you think they have imporved over the years? I mean obviously they have, but ...

Don't get me wrong..im just trying to figure out why certian people like certian things...like ive said time and time again....as long as theres snow, and someting my ski boots fit in...ill ride em...and make em work...

thanks for the valuable advice..always enjoy it..

M

 

[JimG.]

do you think they have imporved over the years? I mean obviously they have, but ...M

Well, new skis are easier to turn than older skis. And new skis make it much easier for a skier to make carved turns.

But I think that skis with alot of shape make it harder to ski bumps, at least harder to stay in the zipperline. Being a little older now, I stay in the zipper but my turns definitely have more shape than when I was younger. Can't ski bumps as fast as I used to.

For the most part, it's been an improvement.

 

[SkiDog]

Well, new skis are easier to turn than older skis. And new skis make it much easier for a skier to make carved turns.

But I think that skis with alot of shape make it harder to ski bumps, at least harder to stay in the zipperline. Being a little older now, I stay in the zipper but my turns definitely have more shape than when I was younger. Can't ski bumps as fast as I used to.

For the most part, it's been an improvement.

I totally agree with everything you just said...shapes definately make skiing bumps harder...I also think they hurt the "shape" of the bumps themselves further worsening the problem. I too dont ski bumps like I used to, but thats part of the deal with getting older right? Im WAY sloppy now...most times still hold the zipperline,but like you say...it doesnt look like it used too im sure...one of the MAIN reasons I dont video myself Ha..

M

 

[JimG.]

I too dont ski bumps like I used to, but thats part of the deal with getting older right? Im WAY sloppy now...most times still hold the zipperline,but like you say...it doesnt look like it used too im sure...one of the MAIN reasons I dont video myself Ha..

M

It's different, but I wouldn't call it sloppy. I definitely put a little bit of carve into my bump turns now, and that's not the way you're supposed to ski them. Proper bump technique is more absorption/extention and alot of rotary. And I have more trouble keeping my legs pinned together, another fault that results from carving a bit.

If I'm in lower angle bumps I can still rip them, but steeper zippers definitely cause me to add that carve to my turns.

 

[Greg]

It's different, but I wouldn't call it sloppy. I definitely put a little bit of carve into my bump turns now, and that's not the way you're supposed to ski them. Proper bump technique is more absorption/extention and alot of rotary. And I have more trouble keeping my legs pinned together, another fault that results from carving a bit.

If I'm in lower angle bumps I can still rip them, but steeper zippers definitely cause me to add that carve to my turns.

I think this approach is fine. I'm still only 33 and I'll likely never be able to truly zipperline a bump run as much as I love them. As long as they're still fun, who cares?

 

[JimG.]

I think this approach is fine. I'm still only 33 and I'll likely never be able to truly zipperline a bump run as much as I love them. As long as they're still fun, who cares?

Aspiring to the image is the fun part...or aspiring to the way I used to ski them anyway.
Part of it is that I've grown to like other aspects of the mountain like glades and steeps too. I used to be like 2knees, if you needed to find me I'd be skiing bumps.

 

[SkiDog]

Aspiring to the image is the fun part...or aspiring to the way I used to ski them anyway.
Part of it is that I've grown to like other aspects of the mountain like glades and steeps too. I used to be like 2knees, if you needed to find me I'd be skiing bumps.

I have personally found that the steeps and trees are where I prefer to be...seperates the "men for the boys" Ha.........LADIES TOO...

I skied with this woman from over on Timefortuckerman when I was out in CO bout 2 seasons ago....MAN could she ski...greens to hike she didnt care...

M
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[koreshot]

Man those BRO's were WAY cambered...wild...gotta be pretty heavy just to get em to sit on the snow...looks almost like double camber..

Yeah, when I opened the box and layed them down on the floor i was amazed at the amount of camber - more camber than any other ski I have owned. It is definitely weird to have that much camber on a soft snow ski, but I think that is one reason (not to rehash the other post) they are pretty good all over the place. On the other hand, Bros don't have a whole lot of sidecut - radius of about 29m or so, which is where camber probably helps a bit. It would be odd to see a ski with that much camber and a sidecut of 12m, though there probably are a few out there.

I haven't owned any foam skis (unless my crap Rossi Scratch FS are foam - don't ski them all that much) but from all the people I have talked to that own them say that they are decently durable, but they become softer and floppier much faster than wood does. I think its a matter of the core retaining its flex properties better when it is wood.