GSS Banned

[Riverskier]

It's been mentioned before but those who so badly need a GSS fix can find him at PASkiandride, Epic, and noshitzone. Feel free...

Doesn't matter what the poll said. Greg and the mods decided to ban him. End of story.

Interesting, ignoring the voice of your clientele and taking your business in a completely different direction. Sounds an awful lot like a certain mountain in central VT and we all saw how that worked out. Hopefully (and I am being sincere) it works out better for AZ. I find it funny how all of the GSS haters want to put this to rest as quickly as possible now that they finally got what they want. It has only been 3 days! Anyway, like I said before, this is Greg's site and he can do what he wants with it. That is how it should be. And I have made my opinion clear, so I will let it go.

 

[midd]

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You've been a member since June 2007? The forum was very different pre-GSS. From what I understand there is a hope that it will turn that way again. As mentioned... if you need a GSS fix, you know where to find him.

I couldn't care less about GSS. more interested in the tact "management" takes when faced with a decision about a poster.

the above post illustrates my "clubby" comment perfectly. how many more posters/independent visitors does the site have today vs. 2006? to expect it to remain the same is naive.

 

[Greg]

Interesting, ignoring the voice of your clientele and taking your business in a completely different direction. Sounds an awful lot like a certain mountain in central VT and we all saw how that worked out. Hopefully (and I am being sincere) it works out better for AZ. I find it funny how all of the GSS haters want to put this to rest as quickly as possible now that they finally got what they want. It has only been 3 days! Anyway, like I said before, this is Greg's site and he can do what he wants with it. That is how it should be. And I have made my opinion clear, so I will let it go.

It's my assumption that those that are so firmly against the GSS banning are not in some huge majority. Like anything else, people are more inclined to complain than they are to show support. I would guess the split for or against the banning is closer to 50:50. I've gotten several PMs showing support from folks that did not want to perpetuate this discussion and there have even been a few that have posted they support the mods' and my decision here. With that said, if you guys just have to have a poll about it, go right ahead. Personally, I think we should all just move on.

 

[hammer]

So which of the 5 stages of loss are we at now?

 

[ski220]

It's three days later. Can we let this crap die? It is what it is. The sun will still rise in the east and set in the west.

But will it still SNOW ???

 

[MR. evil]

It's my assumption that those that are so firmly against the GSS banning are not in some huge majority. Like anything else, people are more inclined to complain than they are to show support.

Using your own argument against you, wouldn’t also be safe to say that those who complained about GSS were also in the minority? Just another typical case of the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

 

[Riverskier]

Using your own argument against you, wouldn’t also be safe to say that those who complained about GSS were also in the minority? Just another typical case of the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

That is how things often work in the World in general. A vocal minority making and influencing decisons for the silent majority. I suspect the 50:50 split may be close to accurate for the number of people that enjoyed GSS's posts, but I suspect a large percentage of the other group would support GSS based on principal.

 

[Moe Ghoul]

See yer still looking at

GSS threads on 9/14

 

[RootDKJ]

With that said, if you guys just have to have a poll about it, go right ahead. Personally, I think we should all just move on.

Please don't take this the wrong way...I'm not losing any sleep over any of this.

There was a poll started, and the AZ Management locked the thread. Why not un-lock it, let the poll run it's course and let the folks who are so vocal and passionate about this event, get it off their chest once and for all.

That being said I'm counting the days until the snow comes.

PS. The GSS thread is longer then the current Killington Thread. Something about that amuses me.

 

[andyzee]

Funny, there's plenty of times I would have loved to seen him banned. Now he's been turned into a martyr :lol: This world is going to sh......

 

[Greg]

Using your own argument against you, wouldn’t also be safe to say that those who complained about GSS were also in the minority? Just another typical case of the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

You're probably correct.

Look, here's the bottom line - we're doing the best we can. GSS had several warnings and he refused to listen to them. At some point, we had to follow through. If we never did, this site may as well be totally un-moderated. If that's what some of you want, then AZ is not the place for you. If his banning is going to cause you to post less, or leave entirely, that's completely your prerogative and I respect that.

However, AZ became popular as the primary place to discuss Northeast skiing with a lot of industry participation based on a moderating approach we adopted long before GSS was here. We're now trying to get back to that type of forum. I freely admit it's not for everybody; never has been.

 

[bvibert]

Using your own argument against you, wouldn’t also be safe to say that those who complained about GSS were also in the minority? Just another typical case of the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

You keep trying to make it sound like the only reason he got banned is because of a few complaints.

It's been said multiple times before, but I'll say it again; the complaints about him were only part of what got him banned. Take away the complaints and he still would have gotten banned. You can not deny that he broke the rules on many occasions, was disrespectful to forum members, and consistently ignored requests by us to follow the rules. You can say whatever you want about the guy, but he had no respect for this community as a whole, he was only interested in making it his own playground. Unless you saw every single post he ever posted and PM exchanges between him and the staff here you have no idea just how accurate my above statement is.

To put it simply; It doesn't matter if the majority of the people here voted to keep him around, he's not willing to play by the rules set forth by Greg, that's why he's gone. You can go on whining about the minority this, and the majority that, and whatever else you desire. Greg likes to get the input from the community on some occasions for some things, but ultimately it's his board and he sets the rules.

 

[RootDKJ]

You're probably correct.

Look, here's the bottom line - we're doing the best we can. GSS had several warnings and he refused to listen to them. At some point, we had to follow through. If we never did, this site may as well be totally un-moderated. If that's what some of you want, then AZ is not the place for you. If his banning is going to cause you to post less, or leave entirely, that's completely your prerogative and I respect that.

However, AZ became popular as the primary place to discuss Northeast skiing with a lot of industry participation based on a moderating approach we adopted long before GSS was here. We're now trying to get back to that type of forum. I freely admit it's not for everybody; never has been.

This is why I first started to visit AZ. I hope to see more if that in the future.

 

[Riverskier]

Please don't take this the wrong way...I'm not losing any sleep over any of this.

There was a poll started, and the AZ Management locked the thread. Why not un-lock it, let the poll run it's course and let the folks who are so vocal and passionate about this event, get it off their chest once and for all.

That being said I'm counting the days until the snow comes.

PS. The GSS thread is longer then the current Killington Thread. Something about that amuses me.

+1

And trust me, I am not losing any sleep either. However, it seems this decison is being communicated as being the will of the members. Why not let the poll run? If people are clearly in favor of banning GSS, I think the decison would be easier for others to accept. If not, so what? It is your site and you can do what you want with it. I just think it would be interesting to see statisticaly how people feel about this.

Edit: I see now that this isn't being argued as the will of the people, but as a tactical business decision. That I repect, though I would still be interested to see the results of a poll.

 

[Trekchick]

This is why I first started to visit AZ. I hope to see more if that in the future.

Amen! That's a key draw for many of the quality members.

+1

And trust me, I am not losing any sleep either. However, it seems this decison is being communicated as being the will of the members. Why not let the poll run? If people are clearly in favor of banning GSS, I think the decison would be easier for others to accept. If not, so what? It is your site and you can do what you want with it. I just think it would be interesting to see statisticaly how people feel about this.

Edit: I see now that this isn't being argued as the will of the people, but as a tactical business decision. That I repect, though I would still be interested to see the results of a poll.

IMHO a poll is a mistake because it won't make an impact on the decision, and will only create another platform to draw attention away from the true vibe of AZ.

YMMV

 

[Grassi21]

IMHO a poll is a mistake because it won't make an impact on the decision, and will only create another platform to draw attention away from the true vibe of AZ.

YMMV

+1

 

[eastcoastpowderhound]

Weeding through the noise there to find those who are not is not something I would have the time for...

You've been a member since June 2007? The forum was very different pre-GSS. From what I understand there is a hope that it will turn that way again. As mentioned... if you need a GSS fix, you know where to find him.

I was here a couple months before GSS arrived...right in the middle of the Snowman reign of terror...didn't seem all that different in those 2 months before GSS arrived than it did after.

As for the whole "you don't know what it was like before" line that keeps coming up, its getting tired...we're here now and we're part of the community...what felt like an open and inviting community, but the more you "old timers" toss around your length of tenure and the whole "you haven't been here long enough" bs, the less inviting a place this is to new comers and the less likely they will be to stay and post.

 

[ctenidae]

I've probably typed 15 replies to this thread, but every time, I haven't hit "Post."

Why? Because I almost care, but then don't. I can honestly say I've never, ever been offended by anything someone has posted on any forum, anywhere. Probably becasue it's an internet forum. It's not worth my time and energy to get all worked up about something someoneposts.

I have gotten interested in things, become excited about possibilities, and gone places I maybe wouldn't have otherwise because of things I've read, both here and other places. But get upset or angry? Just not worth it.

I have been here for a while. I do remember what it was like before GSS.
I still read the parts I like, and ignore the rest. Pretty easy formula.

 

[Warp Daddy]

This whole topic is useless > Look if u want to leave leave < I f u want to stay stay. but no ONE individual is the determinant factor of that decision but yourself .

It's time to man/woman up make YOUR decision one way or the other and shut up and ski as one of our member"s says in his sig line .

I hope you stay, but if you can't abide the decision by board mgmt then sayonnara baby!! it 's been nice and its been real -- C'YA

 

[andyzee]

I look at this thread and I see the link for "Last Page" Then I think to myself, "Is it really"