Half Grooming Bump Runs

[highpeaksdrifter]

moguls created by good skiers are pretty fun though.

Please tell us the kind of moguls good skiers make v the kind bad skiers make.

 

[Lostone]

Buncha things...

1) I do ski bumps. If Greg remembers, the last time he saw me, he was going above me while I was on Lower Ripcord. But I didn't get there by running the bumps on Ripcord, Paradise, or Spillsville. I popped out of the woods on Lower Ripcord. Much rather be in the woods than a bump trail.

Like I say, I do ski bumps, but I would guess I spend more than 90% of my time on unbumped terrain.

B) As to whether or not, I'm expert enough, without exception, whenever I have had someone trying to decide if I'm "good enough" to ski with them, I've always had a better time skiing with someone else or by myself.

III) I know only one Claybrook owner. (I've met others, but this one was in my ski club.) He is a very accomplished skier, on all terrain.

d) When I first voted in the poll, there were only 2 votes for groomed, and I think 10 for bumps. Since, we've picked up more groomed votes, but there is no doubt there are far more people skiing groomers than bump trails.

I've been there when Stein's has been groomed before. There were more people on that trail, that day, than had been there for the previous 2 weeks! And many of those on the groomed trail were those that ski it when it is bumped.

I understand some people wanting bump trails, but I would think that aiming a day at people who are willing to ski a bump trail all day might be looking at a very small market.

101) When I heard they were going to open this weekend, with only Stein's, I had my skis tuned for the end of season. There is no way I warm up on a bump run, especially a double diamond. I did no whining or complaining. I'm a happy camper. I have 125 days in. I can quit and still say I've had a great season.

If you had a pass at Sugarbush, this season, and you didn't get your money's worth... you did something very wrong. :roll:

(I have no more numbering systems left!) ) When Win suggested he might have Stein's winched, I knew I may have to get a couple more days in. :wink:

 

[andyzee]

I don't like this poll. The topic is half grooming bump runs, which gives a skier a choice of doing bumps or groomed. The poll makes you choose groomed or bumps, no in between. As a result I chose groomed. I have been getting more and more into bumps, however, I can not ski bumps all day. Since there was no in between, I chose groomers.

Now if the choices in the poll asked if I prefered groomed, half groomed, or bumped, I would choose half groomed.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

To bump or not to bump.....I did the bump in the 70's

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

When I first voted in the poll, there were only 2 votes for groomed, and I think 10 for bumps. Since, we've picked up more groomed votes, but there is no doubt there are far more people skiing groomers than bump trails.

Right on there. For whatever reason, not manly enough, will be ridiculed, or not skier enough, must people do not like to admit they like groomers.

You read most of the posts in ski forums and you come away with the idea that 90% of the posters think they are expert bumpers, power hounds and tree skiers who wouldn't be caught on a groomer. In pratice I'd bet that isn't the case.

I ski on all types of terrain groomers included.

 

[andyzee]

To bump or not to bump.....I did the bump in the 70's

And I thought you were a rocker. :???:

 

[BushMogulMaster]

Lostone... are you opposed to half and half? In my mind, that makes everyone happy.

 

[snoseek]

Please tell us the kind of moguls good skiers make v the kind bad skiers make.

your kidding me right? i don't claim to be a great mogul skier but definately know the differencs between bumps that flow down the mountain ( created by good skiers or boarders) vs @#itty cross bumps that pull every way but the fall lines.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

your kidding me right? i don't claim to be a great mogul skier but definately know the differencs between bumps that flow down the mountain ( created by good skiers or boarders) vs @#itty cross bumps that pull every way but the fall lines.

What I'm confused about is if good skiers created good bump runs then only good skiers would ski those trails. The same would be true for bad skiers that you infer that make bad bump runs. I think you get a mixed group on all trails. Lots of bad skiers ski trails over their heads.

IMO bump runs with an easy flow down the fall line are alot of fun, and bump runs that vary in size, spacing and flow are fun in a challenging way.

 

[Greg]

More stereotyping, but rich people tend to act more arrogant, and do dumb things because of it, "regular" people tend to stay within their abilities more, and often are nicer.

This is lame, IMO. Stereotyping at any level is not cool. I guess we're all a bit guilty of it though. Just remember there are loud and obnoxious examples in just about every income class, age, race, religion, etc. We should all try not to let these examples create an oversimplified opinion of the group or class as a whole.

as i said, i am sure some of them are groomer lovers... never implied all rich people have no skills.

...if Bush sells one more place because a groomer lover had an awesome May day, then mission accomplished. I most certainly did not stereotype all well to do wealthy people as not having skills. I have skied with some rather well to do people that ski on par or better than I do. You over generalized my statement, big time.

The average skier is a groomer lover. I think it is fair to assume the average majority of wealthy skiers are groomer lovers too. How is identifying the average skiing population stereotyping when it is applied to a sub-categorization?

Thanks for clarifying. Your original post rang a bit more negatively.

Please tell us the kind of moguls good skiers make v the kind bad skiers make.

Nice tight consistent lines (made by good skiers who can make short, tight turns) vs. push piles and erratically spaced bumps with broad troughs (made by beginners and intermediates that can't follow the same lines as more advanced skiers).

If you had a pass at Sugarbush, this season, and you didn't get your money's worth... you did something very wrong. :roll:

Despite my using the half-groom approach on Stein's as a basis for this thread, I think Sugarbush offers up a reasonable amount of ungroomed vs. groomed terrain most of the time. They strike a perfect balance in my opinion.

I don't like this poll. The topic is half grooming bump runs, which gives a skier a choice of doing bumps or groomed. The poll makes you choose groomed or bumps, no in between. As a result I chose groomed. I have been getting more and more into bumps, however, I can not ski bumps all day. Since there was no in between, I chose groomers.

This is by design. The poll is sort of a secondary discussion from the half bumped/groomed one. I just was curious to see who prefered what. I guess if you spend more than 50% of your time on groomers, then you should select groomers, and vice versa.

Right on there. For whatever reason, not manly enough, will be ridiculed, or not skier enough, must people do not like to admit they like groomers.

You read most of the posts in ski forums and you come away with the idea that 90% of the posters think they are expert bumpers, power hounds and tree skiers who wouldn't be caught on a groomer. In pratice I'd bet that isn't the case.

I ski on all types of terrain groomers included.

I ski groomed runs all the time. I have fun on them. I prefer bumps, natural snow trails, or at least uneven terrain though. Even on the groomers, I tend to be cranking off short turns along the trees vs. big sweeping high speed arcs. Letting them run can be fun once in a while, but I just prefer a different style. It has nothing to do with being manly; it's just a preference.

Some interesting points here. I think Steve called it perfect with big straight steep runs like Stein's and Superstar lending themself well to the half groom/bump approach. And from a business standpoint, I guess it's best to offer something for everyone late in the season when only limited terrain is available.

 

[win]

Interesting chat! As with most things, there are legitimate difference of opinions. Here is what we will actually try to do today and tonight. We are going to try to piece Snowball and Spring Fling together and groom them as best as possible so we have some nice intermediate terrain for the final two days. We are going to do a pass or two down Stein's but leave plenty of bumps. This will set the trail up well for all to enjoy. Personally, I like the Spring Bump, so I am looking forward to spending a lot of time in them on Saturday. I am also looking forward to a few cruisers and mostly likely will warm up on the groomed side of Stein's on the first run to get the blood flowing and the knees lubricated.

 

[andyzee]

However, the above PR says "Sugarbush plans to offer expert-only skiing and riding on Stein's Run". We've had the discussion in the past whether one can truly call themself an "expert" if they can't or won't ski bumps. So the question is, should it be groomed at all?

Gee, someone may have a preference for trees and love hucking cliffs, but may not care so much for bumps and may not be great at that perfect zippeline down a bump run, does that mean that they are not experts? Or from another perspective, if one is great at bumps, but never skis trees or off piste, are they truly experts? If someone isn't doing jumps in the terrain park, are they truly experts?

 

[Greg]

Gee, someone may have a preference for trees and love hucking cliffs, but may not care so much for bumps and may not be great at that perfect zippeline down a bump run, does that mean that they are not experts? Or from another perspective, if one is great at bumps, but never skis trees or off piste, are they truly experts? If someone isn't doing jumps in the terrain park, are they truly experts?

Check out that linked discussion. These points have all been brought up and discussed there.

 

[andyzee]

Check out that linked discussion. These points have all been brought up and discussed there.

Oh crap, you gonna make me read..............

 

[BushMogulMaster]

Thanks, Win!

It's good to be able to please everyone.

I'll be rippin' up the bumps, and I hope to see some of you out there!

 

[Greg]

I'll be rippin' up the bumps, and I hope to see some of you out there!

We need pics!

 

[madskier6]

Thanks, Win!

It's good to be able to please everyone.

I'll be rippin' up the bumps, and I hope to see some of you out there!

I'll be there on Saturday. Should be a great Spring skiing day!

 

[BushMogulMaster]

We need pics!

Yes sir!

Maybe I can even get some video!

 

[Greg]

Yes sir!

Maybe I can even get some video!

And unlike andyzee, perhaps we'll see it before next season?

 

[andyzee]

And unlike andyzee, perhaps we'll see it before next season?

You can see me before next season, come up to Killington on Sunday