Has Sugarbush Hired Killington's PR Dept?

[andyzee]

Killington has 200 trails. :lol:

 

[deadheadskier]

Nope. No winkie. They do measure every tree. Trust me.

Little quiz

do you know the term for the total area covered by trees in a given plot of land?

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Little quiz

do you know the term for the total area covered by trees in a given plot of land?

tree-clad?

 

[2knees]

what is the acreage of seeded bumps at sugarbush? thats all that matters really.

 

[deadheadskier]

tree-clad?

nope, basal area

http://forestry.about.com/cs/glossary/g/basal_area.htm


at UVM where I got me edumacation I studied mucho basal area :dunce:

 

[win]

Fair question! I and other ski or ride in the 4,000 so if you want to join us, come on up! Some up here even find more!

 

[BushMogulMaster]

Fair question! I and other ski or ride in the 4,000 so if you want to join us, come on up! Some up here even find more!

Clever response, as always. See you in November!

 

[win]

PS: Andyzee,

Love this thread! Your generated a lot of really good dialogue. I interpret this as people getting excited about winter. The leaves are turning, the nights are getting colder, people are buying their season passes, the Farmer's Almanac is encouraging. I can't wait to get on the slopes, and I know all of you feel the same way no matter where you ski or ride. Keep the passion going!

 

[andyzee]

Fair question! I and other ski or ride in the 4,000 so if you want to join us, come on up! Some up here even find more!

Win, doubt I could keep up with you, but I'd love to join you. Never skied slidebrook, but always wanted to.

Also, knew I could depend on you to respond, unlike other resort managers. Thanks.

One question, does Sugarbush actually own Slidebrook?

 

[Tin Woodsman]

Any ski area in New England that received more than 200" per year should report total acreage and trail acreage separately. This is a small group: Killington, SB, MRG, Bolton, Burke, Stowe, Smuggs, Jay, Sugarloaf, Saddleback, Wildcat. At each and every one of those places, tree skiing is a time honored tradition that's been going on for decades. It's safe to say that the actual skiable acreage, including glades (be they on the map, off the map, in bounds, sidecountry or back[side] country), doubles or even triples the amount of reported trail acreage.

One question, does Sugarbush actually own Slidebrook?

I'm not Win, and I don't play him on TV, but the answer is mostly yes. Here's a map to show the land holdings:

Basically the USFS owns most of the upper third, especially towards Castlerock, and then the southern bit down past the top of North Lynx. Not that it matters though - the area has been labeled critical bear habitat and has pretty strict rules on what can be done and when.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

Just to recap, we still don't know if the 508 "skiable acres" refers to marked trails only, or marked trails + gladed terrain. It's not a big deal at all, but it remains a question (of ever-so-slight importance).

Regarding the 4,000 acres point, it's clearly pretty meaningless PR drivel that doesn't provide much real/helpful information.

"Oooh, we own 4,000 acres!"

So, should Jay include the forest land on Big Jay in its total acreage, since one can ski in those woods from Jay lifts? What about Whiteface? It's in the middle of the Adirondack park, which totals about 6 million acres, with approximately half of that being public land. Can't wait for state-owned WF to claim something like "Total acres: 3,000,000; skiable acres: 200".

 

[win]

At Lincoln Peak, we own the base area and the Eden area. Above the Valley House, Bravo, Village and Gate Houselifts , the rest of the land at Lincoln Peak is leased from the USFS. Slidebrook is mostly owned by us, but there is a small retangular piece in the middle that is USFS land. At ME we own most of the land almost up to Black Diamond and FIS. Then the USFS takes over. The entire ridgeline is USFS.

 

[andyzee]

At Lincoln Peak, we own the base area and the Eden area. Above the Valley House, Bravo, Village and Gate Houselifts , the rest of the land at Lincoln Peak is leased from the USFS. Slidebrook is mostly owned by us, but there is a small retangular piece in the middle that is USFS land. At ME we own most of the land almost up to Black Diamond and FIS. Then the USFS takes over. The entire ridgeline is USFS.

Win, you're a good man and a good sport!

Just let it be known that I am fully responsible for this thread, Greg had nothing to do with it. By the time he saw it, it was probably too late to delete it so it had to stay. Please do not take it out on him or he may start to:

:lol::lol:

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Just to recap, we still don't know if the 508 "skiable acres" refers to marked trails only, or marked trails + gladed terrain. It's not a big deal at all, but it remains a question (of ever-so-slight importance).

Regarding the 4,000 acres point, it's clearly pretty meaningless PR drivel that doesn't provide much real/helpful information.

"Oooh, we own 4,000 acres!"

So, should Jay include the forest land on Big Jay in its total acreage, since one can ski in those woods from Jay lifts? What about Whiteface? It's in the middle of the Adirondack park, which totals about 6 million acres, with approximately half of that being public land. Can't wait for state-owned WF to claim something like "Total acres: 3,000,000; skiable acres: 200".

WOW...3 million...Whiteface rules.:-D

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Fair question! !

PS: Andyzee,

Love this thread! !

 

[deadheadskier]

What about the land above Inverness and then along the ridge across towards Exterminator? What are the ownership / development rights for this area? I seem to recall seeing an old Glen Ellen either trail map or proposed map where it looked like another lift and trails were planned for this area.

 

[deadheadskier]

Found it

This is what I was thinking of

 

[skidmarks]

I Luv Sugarbush

Last season Feb 6th it was raining cats and dogs down in Southern Vt, had turned into an ice storm as I passed Killington, and was just dumping at Sugarbush. We had to delay our plans to train for the down-hill race by one day but it was worth it.

 

[kcyanks1]

Just to recap, we still don't know if the 508 "skiable acres" refers to marked trails only, or marked trails + gladed terrain. It's not a big deal at all, but it remains a question (of ever-so-slight importance).

Regarding the 4,000 acres point, it's clearly pretty meaningless PR drivel that doesn't provide much real/helpful information.

"Oooh, we own 4,000 acres!"

So, should Jay include the forest land on Big Jay in its total acreage, since one can ski in those woods from Jay lifts? What about Whiteface? It's in the middle of the Adirondack park, which totals about 6 million acres, with approximately half of that being public land. Can't wait for state-owned WF to claim something like "Total acres: 3,000,000; skiable acres: 200".

I would be careful with your quotes. Win said, "I and other ski or ride in the 4,000," not "we own 4,000." Do you ski 3,000,000 acres from Whiteface? Yes, I totally agree it would be useful to find out what exactly the 4,000 includes, as well as what the 500 includes, and hopefully Win will answer. But assuming (which I think is reasonable) that it includes the outer boundary of South to the outer boundary of North and all that is in between (e.g., Slide Brook), then that's quite different than the absurd analogies you are making.

As for Big Jay, Sugarbush provides guided tours into Slide Brook and a bus (even for those not on the tour). The Dip might be a closer comparison if you are looking at Jay, because the Jay ski school does gives tours of that area ... but there is still no bus for people going on their own.

Perhaps it might be even more useful to include a third number specifying the acreage of Slidebrook / the acreage that leads you away from the ski lifts. But once we clarify exactly what the 4,000 number means, I don't think it will be uninformative at all, like the the 3,000,000 acres of Whiteface. So I don't agree that the "4,000 acres . . . [is] clearly pretty meaningless PR drivel that doesn't provide much real/helpful information." Yes, it's clearly for PR. But it's not "meaningless . . . drivel."

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

I would be careful with your quotes. Win said, "I and other ski or ride in the 4,000," not "we own 4,000." Do you ski 3,000,000 acres from Whiteface? Yes, I totally agree it would be useful to find out what exactly the 4,000 includes, as well as what the 500 includes, and hopefully Win will answer. But assuming (which I think is reasonable) that it includes the outer boundary of South to the outer boundary of North and all that is in between (e.g., Slide Brook), then that's quite different than the absurd analogies you are making.

As for Big Jay, Sugarbush provides guided tours into Slide Brook and a bus (even for those not on the tour). The Dip might be a closer comparison if you are looking at Jay, because the Jay ski school does gives tours of that area ... but there is still no bus for people going on their own.

Perhaps it might be even more useful to include a third number specifying the acreage of Slidebrook / the acreage that leads you away from the ski lifts. But once we clarify exactly what the 4,000 number means, I don't think it will be uninformative at all, like the the 3,000,000 acres of Whiteface. So I don't agree that the "4,000 acres . . . [is] clearly pretty meaningless PR drivel that doesn't provide much real/helpful information." Yes, it's clearly for PR. But it's not "meaningless . . . drivel."

Take it easy.....I wasn't attributing any words to anyone, just making comments on the words on Sugarbush's website.

As far as whether giving acreage from boundary to boundary is meaningless PR "drivel" or not is a matter of opinion. You think it means something, I don't.