highpeaksdrifter
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It was on the local news this morning that a bouncer threw a guy out of a bar, the guy hit his head and died. Any Hunta regulars know the inside skinny on this?
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highpeaksdrifter said:It was on the local news this morning that a bouncer threw a guy out of a bar, the guy hit his head and died. Any Hunta regulars know the inside skinny on this?
Tyrolean_skier said:Eski was telling me this weekend about another fatality that occurred on the mountain. A very good local skier apparently skied right into a tree. Because he was an excellent skier, they suspect he might have had a heart attack. DMC, did I tell it correctly or is there a different version?
highpeaksdrifter said:It was on the local news this morning that a bouncer threw a guy out of a bar, the guy hit his head and died. Any Hunta regulars know the inside skinny on this?
RossiSkier said:In Greene County a bouncer is being charged with the death of a man outside of a bar.
State police say 45-year-old Peter Shine of Oakdale was found dead near the rear door of the Hunter Village Inn.
Shine allegedly got into a fight with another customer. When the fight escalated, police say the bouncer, 27-year-old Thomas Sebald of New Paltz, shoved Shine out of the door onto a small porch.
Shine was discovered a half hour later at the bottom of the porch stairs with head injuries. Seabald is being charged with criminally negligent homicide.
Tyrolean_skier said:Eski was telling me this weekend about another fatality that occurred on the mountain. A very good local skier apparently skied right into a tree. Because he was an excellent skier, they suspect he might have had a heart attack. DMC, did I tell it correctly or is there a different version?
LVNLARG said:RossiSkier said:In Greene County a bouncer is being charged with the death of a man outside of a bar.
State police say 45-year-old Peter Shine of Oakdale was found dead near the rear door of the Hunter Village Inn.
Shine allegedly got into a fight with another customer. When the fight escalated, police say the bouncer, 27-year-old Thomas Sebald of New Paltz, shoved Shine out of the door onto a small porch.
Shine was discovered a half hour later at the bottom of the porch stairs with head injuries. Seabald is being charged with criminally negligent homicide.
See...exactly. Meanwhile it was actually the club owner who was criminally negligent for having such a set up outside of a door used for forcible ejection. It's not like you can open the door for these people and ask them to step outside :angry:
(Well....you can...if you like fat lips...black eyes and missing teeth)
riverc0il said:quite frankly, shame on the bar tenders for serving a guy that should have been cut off. shame on the club for not promoting drunken awareness for the wait staff.
riverc0il said:LVNLARG, all respect to bouncers from me as a club DJ who prior to doing the DJ thing was dancing away twice a week doing my own thing. but to be frank, i think even you've gotta admit there are a few bouncers out there on a testosterone kick and power trip. i would definitely say not a huge amount, but enough that it clouds the waters slightly without knowing the specifics. bouncers have a tough job because they are asked to do one thing by the club that is sometimes at odds with what may or may not be exactly legal. the amount of physical force that can be used legally definitely seems like a grey area to me. this could have been a freak accident or too much force, impossible to know and it is now for the jury to decide.
quite frankly, shame on the bar tenders for serving a guy that should have been cut off. shame on the club for not promoting drunken awareness for the wait staff. last thing a club wants to do is refuse to serve a patron buying lots of drinks. sometimes certain folks are just looking for trouble, but that one additional drink can be the difference between looking for it and doing it.
bvibert said:Tyrolean_skier said:Eski was telling me this weekend about another fatality that occurred on the mountain. A very good local skier apparently skied right into a tree. Because he was an excellent skier, they suspect he might have had a heart attack. DMC, did I tell it correctly or is there a different version?
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LVNLARG said:riverc0il said:LVNLARG, all respect to bouncers from me as a club DJ who prior to doing the DJ thing was dancing away twice a week doing my own thing. but to be frank, i think even you've gotta admit there are a few bouncers out there on a testosterone kick and power trip. i would definitely say not a huge amount, but enough that it clouds the waters slightly without knowing the specifics. bouncers have a tough job because they are asked to do one thing by the club that is sometimes at odds with what may or may not be exactly legal. the amount of physical force that can be used legally definitely seems like a grey area to me. this could have been a freak accident or too much force, impossible to know and it is now for the jury to decide.
quite frankly, shame on the bar tenders for serving a guy that should have been cut off. shame on the club for not promoting drunken awareness for the wait staff. last thing a club wants to do is refuse to serve a patron buying lots of drinks. sometimes certain folks are just looking for trouble, but that one additional drink can be the difference between looking for it and doing it.
Sure he knew it was there...but he didn't put it there....making it not his fault...but the club owners (And I'm not bouncer biased...I now own clubs..not bounce in them). Would you rather he went thru the door with the guy and danced a wresting ballet at the top of the stairs with him possibly killing them both? The only thing that guy did wrong was take the job knowing that step was there...and not all bouncers are bright enough to for-see that outcome...but all club owners and their insurers should be.
This totally burns me up :angry: as i've seen it repeated time...and time again....Bouncer as a fall guy. Perhaps if the bouncer wasn't there... this guy...and OTHERS would have died inside. Perhaps this guy even sustained his life ending injury inside at the hands of others (and that might not come out in court if the bouncer can't afford a good defence). What burns me the absolute most is this: The bouncer goes hands on with a guy to remove him because he was fighting and injuring people....risking his neck for the sake of others and doing his assigned job. Same trouble causer on the street only has to look/step menacingly towards police and they can taze him. If his life was ended in that instance due to arrythmia caused by the taze the effect on the tazing officer would have been a one month paid vacation to "recover"....not being locked up like a commen criminal. Yes...I agree 100% there are bouncers out there all over the place "putting a little extra" into forced ejections... and if the establishment is reputable...they are given their walking papers by mangement before they cause a civil suit. Bouncers good or bad however ALL give the trouble causer that extra shove thru the door though as it is an absolute NECESSITY to give you the time to get the door shut and protect yourself. If you don't want that shove that might do you great harm....then don't cause trouble. Guy played his cards and lost.
tuckermanbill said:I've been skiing in the Northeast for over 35 years and drinking in places like the HVI just as long. I've seen and been in my share of bar fights during that time. Most bouncers are juiced up, morons or kids who don't know any better or can't find honest work. At 27 and a teacher, no less this huy should have lnown better, his LIFE will suck as result of this, was his $10 an hour job worth it??? The owner , the bartenders and the bouncers who make their money off serving people are all just as responsible as the guy the guy who gets drunk. This is the law, as we all know from DWI cases. Read the news, this guy killed the patron by crushing his windpipe, end of story. Would you want this guy teaching your kids??? The best that can come of this is if that shithole HVI should be shut down. It's not just me saying that it's most of the respectable business owners in Hunter !!!