It ain't right I tell ya

[dmc]

Re: Mr MRG

The snowboarders average age is kind of irrelevent. Lets not generalize,something we are often accused of doing. Even back then I knew plenty of snowboarders capable of making the measly $50 a month it would cost to buy a share on the payment plan. (Here's my blatant commercial plug! Get all the fact about the Co-op at [url]www.madriverglen/shares .) And don't you think Burton, with its reach into the snowboard world (right here in Burlington) could have organized an effort to make it happen. That instead of taking out full page ads in Skiing Magazine mocking the mountains that don't allow snowboarding. Please, I know way too many MRG shareholders that own shares yet don't have health insurance or 401K's to buy this arguement.

I don't even know where to begin with this post, but let me try.

It is a fact that there is a large difference in average income between snowboarders and skiers. It is a fact that the average snowboarder is a good deal younger than the average skier. Those aren't generalizations, they are averages based on statistical data. I can quote you the data if you like, but being a marketing guy, you should have it at your fingertips already.

Saying that a number of MRG shareholders don't have health insurance or 401k's really is fallacious and does not address the question. Ten years ago, the income and age differential between skiers and snowboarders was even larger than today, hence the inability of your average snowboarder to buy into a place that doesn't want him/her.

But those differentials are shrinking. As a snowboarder who was a skier till the age of 40, every day that MRG ignores reality will add to my laughter when they are finally forced to capitulate or go out of business. Snowboarding saved this sport, and it's only a matter of time till everyone, including MRG, understands that. Till then, myself, my wife and son (my wife and son are both skiers) will never spend a dime at MRG or any other hill that foolishly denies reality.

I bet - if the ban went down today - things would have gone differently...
Cause now - we're organized, respected in the industry and have more cash... Also I think that old bitty that owned MRG is dead now too...

I thought his health insurance comment was one of the dumbest things I've ever read...

 

[JimG.]

The revolution in ski geometry...all due to the shape of a snowboard. Don't believe me? I was there in 1995 when the Rossi rep came to Hunter to discuss shaped skis. I wish I had a nickel for every time he said that the idea was borrowed from snowboards.

Jimmy G., ru a snow sports instructor at Hunter or where u back in da day?

Yup, back in the day. My last gig was as a seasonal program coach.

 

[BrockVond]

Re: Mr MRG

(Here's my blatant commercial plug! Get all the fact about the Co-op at www.madriverglen/shares .)

Nice marketing director...
Can't even get the link right... :lol: :lol: :lol:

And when you fix it - it requires a password... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Missed this before. I'll tell this one to you straight, Dougie. This is lame. No need to insult the guy because of a policy you don't agree with. No wonder Industry folks are reluctant to contribute on ski forums. I give props to Eric for posting here. Also, this post is exactly why some snowboarders get a bad rap...

I disagree, Greg. I had the same reaction as dmc to this post. I clicked on the link, and it doesn't work. I figure out that the url is not complete and then am confronted by a password box and a warning "for shareholders only". At first i thought it was intentional, and thought it a pretty funny joke. Then i realized otherwise. I've known quite a few marketing directors in my career. Thin-skinned, they are not. So blaming dmc for scaring people away is bs, imo. And the cheap shot against "some" snowboarders is just that:cheap.

I think you're a fair person, so I want you to understand why I disagree. I thought of doing this in PM, but that would be a bit cowardly of me.

And thanks for the site, it's fantastic. Not kissing ass, just telling you cuz as an admin myself I think it's good to hear that from people once in a while, especially the troublemakers. :lol:

 

[Greg]

Re: Mr MRG

(Here's my blatant commercial plug! Get all the fact about the Co-op at www.madriverglen/shares .)

Nice marketing director...
Can't even get the link right... :lol: :lol: :lol:

And when you fix it - it requires a password... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Missed this before. I'll tell this one to you straight, Dougie. This is lame. No need to insult the guy because of a policy you don't agree with. No wonder Industry folks are reluctant to contribute on ski forums. I give props to Eric for posting here. Also, this post is exactly why some snowboarders get a bad rap...

I disagree, Greg. I had the same reaction as dmc to this post. I clicked on the link, and it doesn't work. I figure out that the url is not complete and then am confronted by a password box and a warning "for shareholders only". At first i thought it was intentional, and thought it a pretty funny joke. Then i realized otherwise. I've known quite a few marketing directors in my career. Thin-skinned, they are not. So blaming dmc for scaring people away is bs, imo. And the cheap shot against "some" snowboarders is just that:cheap.

I still think it was a lame post and counterproductive to dmc's message.

Yeah, in retrospect the snowboarder reference was cheap. I posted that in haste and didn't log on for a while afterwards. It would've been cheaper had I edited it out. I'm big enough to apologize for it - Sorry, dmc.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

Re: Mr MRG

.. Also I think that old bitty that owned MRG is dead now too...

...

DMC I was with ya until that last statement dude. If you want to be respected you have to respect others. That statement was insensetive, immature and not correct. Go back to your sandbox and throw sand at the other children.

 

[dmc]

Re: Mr MRG

(Here's my blatant commercial plug! Get all the fact about the Co-op at www.madriverglen/shares .)

Nice marketing director...
Can't even get the link right... :lol: :lol: :lol:

And when you fix it - it requires a password... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Missed this before. I'll tell this one to you straight, Dougie. This is lame. No need to insult the guy because of a policy you don't agree with. No wonder Industry folks are reluctant to contribute on ski forums. I give props to Eric for posting here. Also, this post is exactly why some snowboarders get a bad rap...

I disagree, Greg. I had the same reaction as dmc to this post. I clicked on the link, and it doesn't work. I figure out that the url is not complete and then am confronted by a password box and a warning "for shareholders only". At first i thought it was intentional, and thought it a pretty funny joke. Then i realized otherwise. I've known quite a few marketing directors in my career. Thin-skinned, they are not. So blaming dmc for scaring people away is bs, imo. And the cheap shot against "some" snowboarders is just that:cheap.

I still think it was a lame post and counterproductive to dmc's message.

Yeah, in retrospect the snowboarder reference was cheap. I posted that in haste and didn't log on for a while afterwards. It would've been cheaper had I edited it out. I'm big enough to apologize for it - Sorry, dmc.

Apology accepted "Gregie" - but I stand by my acerbic repsonse to his post...
Believe me... I could've said alot worse - I held back.. His post was messed up on a lot of levels...

And of course - thats my opinion...

 

[dmc]

Re: Mr MRG

.. Also I think that old bitty that owned MRG is dead now too...

...

DMC I was with ya until that last statement dude. If you want to be respected you have to respect others. That statement was insensetive, immature and not correct. Go back to your sandbox and throw sand at the other children.

I apologize... See "Gregie" I can be a big man too!

From what I hear she was a cranky old bitty... But that could just be the ledgend...
And I also heard that she is indeed dead...

 

[Greg]

Feel the love...

 

[BrockVond]

Re: Mr MRG

.. Also I think that old bitty that owned MRG is dead now too...

...

DMC I was with ya until that last statement dude. If you want to be respected you have to respect others. That statement was insensetive, immature and not correct. Go back to your sandbox and throw sand at the other children.

Bullshit.

You know what? Betsy Pratt doesn't respect others. Betsy Pratt is insensitive, immature and not correct. Yell at her if you want to be pc and fair at the same time.

"Snowboarding on a ski mountain is like playing croquet on the 18th green—you can do it, but I don't think it's appropriate." -Betsy Pratt

 

[dmc]

Re: Mr MRG

.. Also I think that old bitty that owned MRG is dead now too...

...

DMC I was with ya until that last statement dude. If you want to be respected you have to respect others. That statement was insensetive, immature and not correct. Go back to your sandbox and throw sand at the other children.

Bullshit.

You know what? Betsy Pratt doesn't respect others. Betsy Pratt is insensitive, immature and not correct. Yell at her if you want to be pc and fair at the same time.

"Snowboarding on a ski mountain is like playing croquet on the 18th green—you can do it, but I don't think it's appropriate." -Betsy Pratt

Wait - so she's sill alive?
Did I block her driveway at the last Telefest? Some old lady came out and yelled at me... Made me move my car... Too close to her driveway...

 

[JimG.]

Yes, Betsy Pratt died about 10 years ago...that's when the co-op really started. Or did the co-op already exist (MRV insiders?).

She wasn't an enemy of snowboarding and allowed it until she was approached by a group of boarders who had a beef and cursed her out over it. After that, the ban began. At least this is one of the stories I have heard.

Like I said about a$$holes.

 

[ChileMass]

Waiting breathlessly....... :wink:

Trying to pad your post count so you can join the 1000-club, eh?

Who, me?? :roll:

Only 5 to go....... :wink:

 

[BrockVond]

Re: Mr MRG

I still think it was a lame post and counterproductive to dmc's message.

well, MRG's fallacious post struck me in a similar way. I guess it's a matter of perspective.

But I understand the frustration of trying to get industry people to participate when they tend to get beat up on. Fact is, that's what they are there for. I beat them up cuz i want to know why I should spend my $ at one place as opposed to another. They should be held to a higher standard, not lower,imo.

But thanks for the reply. It's cool of you to do so.

Peace.

 

[Greg]

Re: Mr MRG

But I understand the frustration of trying to get industry people to participate when they tend to get beat up on. Fact is, that's what they are there for. I beat them up cuz i want to know why I should spend my $ at one place as opposed to another. They should be held to a higher standard, not lower,imo.

Good points.

 

[dmc]

Yes, Betsy Pratt died about 10 years ago...that's when the co-op really started. Or did the co-op already exist (MRV insiders?).

She wasn't an enemy of snowboarding and allowed it until she was approached by a group of boarders who had a beef and cursed her out over it. After that, the ban began. At least this is one of the stories I have heard.

Like I said about a$$holes.

So it WASN'T her driveway I blocked...
That article about her is pretty interesting..

 

[JimG.]

Re: Mr MRG

.. Also I think that old bitty that owned MRG is dead now too...

...

DMC I was with ya until that last statement dude. If you want to be respected you have to respect others. That statement was insensetive, immature and not correct. Go back to your sandbox and throw sand at the other children.

Bullshit.

You know what? Betsy Pratt doesn't respect others. Betsy Pratt is insensitive, immature and not correct. Yell at her if you want to be pc and fair at the same time.

"Snowboarding on a ski mountain is like playing croquet on the 18th green—you can do it, but I don't think it's appropriate." -Betsy Pratt

Brock, believe me I'm glad you're chiming in here. I'd like to see more snowboarders make their opinions known.

I know it's a hot button topic for alot of folks, and I support equality for snowboarders. But let's
try to keep it civil and clean. You don't do the snowboarding community or yourself any favors by flinging expletives around.

It's clear the snowboarding community deserves a voice; strong and loud is good, G-rated even better.

 

[BrockVond]

Yes, Betsy Pratt died about 10 years ago

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[ctenidae]

ChileMass
Zor-o-a'ss-tur is the pronunciation.

Isn't Betsy Pratt as entitled to her opinion as anyone else? Agree or don't, but it was her mountain, so it was her rules. 15 or 20 or however many years ago it was that MRG went co-op, they kept the rule, it has never come up to a vote since then, and I have never heard anyone who is a shareholder complaining they were prevented from bringing it to a vote. Snowbarders may not have been able to afford a share back then, but as has been pointed out numerous times, they can now. There are still shares available. Go buy one, cast your vote, and be glad you have the chance.

I still haven't figured out why "The Ban" is such a hot topic. Maybe it's just a good outlet for NSF Syndrome (No Snow Frustration).

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

[quote="highpeaksdrifter
Jimmy G., ru a snow sports instructor at Hunter or where u back in da day?

Yup, back in the day. My last gig was as a seasonal program coach.[/quote]

Do you know Karl Plattner? He's a close family friend. Things ended bad for him at Hunter. I like the Slutskys too, shame they couldn't work things out.

 

[bvibert]

15 or 20 or however many years ago it was that MRG went co-op

For the record, according to madriverglen.com: "The Co-op assumed ownership in December 1995."