It ain't right I tell ya

[Brettski]

You know who get's it...anyone with respect for the sport...

DMC: Why do you care? You want to stereo-type...Do it on the basis of ability...that would be an easy one...

Can you imagine a mountain for only advanced skiiers and riders, who could recite the code of conduct and had to pass a test?

How cool would that be!

 

[dmc]

You know who get's it...anyone with respect for the sport...

If it's respect for JUST apline skiing...
Then I dissagree...

When I say OUR sport - I mean all downhill alpinists..

 

[Brettski]

Yeah, taht's what I meant.

I figured you would have known my position by now.

 

[dmc]

Yeah, taht's what I meant.

I figured you would have known my position by now.

After reviewing the crap spewed in these threads - I don't know what to believe...

But - You obviously get it...

 

[awf170]

Wow... What a crew we have here... Did I pick the wrong day to check this place out... Only been out of it for 3 weeks and I come back to the same BS that brought me here in the first place... All this BS - passive aggressiveness towards snowboarders...

I will out slide - out carve - out jump half of you "skiers".... And I garentee you I won't disturb as much snow with my one edge that you guys do with your two... In fact I'll ride the sides and push it back for you to do your skidding... I hardely ever ride the middle of the trail.. The middle of the trail is for gapers or people that can let loose and cruise fast...
For instance - look at the end of the season cruddy snow... The skiers are ALWAYS the ones carving out a channel in the middle of the slop... The whole trail is sweet, sweet slop and skiers are in the channel - piling up the snow on the sides.. Ruining it for everyone...

Lots of you guys are BARELY off intermediate terrain but you have ALL the answers... PUUUULEASE!!!!!
Snowboarders ARE NOT the cause of your fumbleing on icey trails... It's your lack of skillz that you have yet to develope but can't admit that you don't have... After you get good and learn to carve right - you won't even care about ice...

The only one in this thread that makes ANY sense is JimG... The rest of you sound like broken records...
He doesn't lay blame - he sites facts... And encourages diversity on the mountain...
He understands that it's about people without skillz that are scraping off the snow...

thanks for coming back and setting things straight
All that matters is how good the person is. A good skier or snowboarder does not do damage. A bad snowboarder or skier cause a lot of damage. How hard is that to understand?!

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

The only one in this thread that makes ANY sense is JimG... The rest of you sound like broken records...
He doesn't lay blame - he sites facts... And encourages diversity on the mountain...
He understands that it's about people without skillz that are scraping off the snow...

HEY DMC, I'm the one who was carrying the load for Boarders are people too, all through this thread, against overwhelming odds. Do I get any props 4 dat? Guess not.

 

[ctenidae]

I feel all unloved- I didn't say anything bad about boarders, either. Heck, I even have snowbarders in the family. We don't usually let them sit at the table with us, but we haven't disowned them yet, either. That's gotta count for something, right? I mean, sure, they have to eat out in the yard, but it's not like we're mean to them or anything.

 

[Brettski]

I feel all unloved- I didn't say anything bad about boarders, either. Heck, I even have snowbarders in the family. We don't usually let them sit at the table with us, but we haven't disowned them yet, either. That's gotta count for something, right? I mean, sure, they have to eat out in the yard, but it's not like we're mean to them or anything.

ROTFLOL

Gotta go, I got a wife with a margarita wainting for me

 

[dmc]

The only one in this thread that makes ANY sense is JimG... The rest of you sound like broken records...
He doesn't lay blame - he sites facts... And encourages diversity on the mountain...
He understands that it's about people without skillz that are scraping off the snow...

HEY DMC, I'm the one who was carrying the load for Boarders are people too, all through this thread, against overwhelming odds. Do I get any props 4 dat? Guess not.

Props given to all y'all...

Need snow... Need snow now!!!
12 years ago I was in Las Lenas... I really need to go back to that place..

 

[Greg]

Re: Mr MRG

(Here's my blatant commercial plug! Get all the fact about the Co-op at www.madriverglen/shares .)

Nice marketing director...
Can't even get the link right... :lol: :lol: :lol:

And when you fix it - it requires a password... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Missed this before. I'll tell this one to you straight, Dougie. This is lame. No need to insult the guy because of a policy you don't agree with. No wonder Industry folks are reluctant to contribute on ski forums. I give props to Eric for posting here. Also, this post is exactly why some snowboarders get a bad rap...

 

[bvibert]

Props given to all y'all...

Need snow... Need snow now!!!
12 years ago I was in Las Lenas... I really need to go back to that place..

Hey D, nice to see you back! Last I saw they were having some pretty good snow at Las Lenas this year... Wish I was there!

 

[Boardguy]

Re: Mr MRG

Marketing wizard? I don't know about that. I'm really high school social studies teacher by trade!

The snowboarders average age is kindof irrelevent. Lets not generalize,something we are often accused of doing. Even back then I knew plenty of snowboarders capable of making the measly $50 a month it would cost to buy a share on the payment plan. (Here's my blatant commercial plug! Get all the fact about the Co-op at [url]www.madriverglen/shares .) And don't you think Burton, with its reach into the snowboard world (right here in Burlington) could have organized an effort to make it happen. That instead of taking out full page ads in Skiing Magazine mocking the mountains that don't allow snowboarding. Please, I know way too many MRG shareholders that own shares yet don't have health insurance or 401K's to buy this arguement.

It's a free country. You have the right at MRG to ban snowboarders and Mr. Burton may use the very same right to take out an ad and state his position.
MRG at some point prior to the shareholder era made a marketing decision to not allow snowboarders, this policy has not been changed- FINE - as I said it's your right. But please lets stop dumping on snowboarders because they did not buy shares in a mountain they can't ride. Maybe its time to move on and change your focus to all the SKIERS that have not stepped up and purchased shares in MRG - what a bunch of heathens they must be. Go forth and convert!

 

[Strat]

Whoa! Too much negativity everybody! Stereotyping's bad, either way! Skier, snowboarder, it really doesn't matter, it's all about ability... yeah, a crappy snowboarder's gonna take a bunch of snow off the trail because they scrape down in heelslide position, I admit to having done it myself a few times, and I apologize, but overgeneralizing by claiming that all snowboarders do that is really quite heinous, and should be avoided... as for the MRG vs. Burton debate... living in the valley, I at least attempt to understand the MRG mentality, and I respect it... wish you guys the best over there, personally I'm content with Sugarbush... regarding Burton, I don't think they're bashing MRG just for the purpose of bashing MRG, I think they're advertising to their customers and potential customers... it's true, as stereotypical as it is, the average snowboarder is a rebellious, punkish teen-twentysomething... not saying me and dmc or any of the other snowboarders here fit that mold, but I also hang out on the Burton forums, and it's unfortunately true... so I think by fronting the whole rebellious mentality, they're just advertising, for themselves as a company... I don't think the company has anything out for MRG or Deer Valley or any of them, it just happens that a lot of their customers do...

 

[WICKEDBUMPER]

sounds like most of you are missing the point. the ban has nothing to do with who the boarders are or what anyone thinks the boards do to the snow. it came down to the single lift or the snowboarders. being in a spot where they didnt have the cash to replace or adjust the lift...they banned the boards.
just saying that "snowboarders are banned from MRG" and saying how horrible that is WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS ABOUT WHY THEY WERE BANNED IN THE FIRST PLACE IS CHILDISH AND STUPID.

child - "mommy wont give me ice cream"
outsider who knows nothing about the family-"what a horrible mother. not giving her crying child ice cream."
mommy - "you had ice cream after lunch and you cant eat half a gallon of ice cream for dinner".

Ask someone who voted when the co-op was set up all those years ago. I'm pretty sure they wanted the cash those snowboarders would bring to the mountain.

anyway...everyone knows snowboarders kill the bumps.

 

[dmc]

sounds like most of you are missing the point. the ban has nothing to do with who the boarders are or what anyone thinks the boards do to the snow. it came down to the single lift or the snowboarders. being in a spot where they didnt have the cash to replace or adjust the lift...they banned the boards.
just saying that "snowboarders are banned from MRG" and saying how horrible that is WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS ABOUT WHY THEY WERE BANNED IN THE FIRST PLACE IS CHILDISH AND STUPID.

child - "mommy wont give me ice cream"
outsider who knows nothing about the family-"what a horrible mother. not giving her crying child ice cream."
mommy - "you had ice cream after lunch and you cant eat half a gallon of ice cream for dinner".

Ask someone who voted when the co-op was set up all those years ago. I'm pretty sure they wanted the cash those snowboarders would bring to the mountain.

anyway...everyone knows snowboarders kill the bumps.

First of all... I've seen skiers F up that single chair at MRG..

Second of all I DON'T push off of chairs - I skate off using my free foot.. And an alternative would be to allow snowboarders to ride the chair without a board on and just hop off and go to a safe spot to but the board back on..

Thirdly.. I stay out of big bumps and let the skiers have their fun... And when I ski bumps - I wish gaper skiers would stay out of them as well as snowboarders... Because people that don't know how to SKI bumps kill them too..

I know about MRG(icecream)... I skied there 20 years ago and now telemark there once a year...

 

[dmc]

it's true, as stereotypical as it is, the average snowboarder is a rebellious, punkish teen-twentysomething... not saying me and dmc or any of the other snowboarders here fit that mold, but I also hang out on the Burton forums, and it's unfortunately true...

Our demographic is getting older and spending more $$ now...
Who knows what the future will bring for my favorite snow sliding activity...
It's been fun being a part of this emerging sport and slamming barriers and sterotypes from the start...
We're a part of history...

 

[ctenidae]

You know, the Zoroastrians were persecuted when they first cropped up in Persia. Of course, they didn't fair as well as the Christians did 1500 years later...

Skiing is a well established group, and snowboarders are the "New School." It takes some time for adjustments to be made. Stilla nd all, for MRG it's a business decision that's never been questioned. That's just the way it goes. Snowboarders are wealthier and older now than they used to be, and can afford the $1500 shares at MRG. That's the only way MRG will ever change its policy.

 

[WICKEDBUMPER]

dmc.
lighten up man, I didnt attack you personally.
and that smily face at the end should have told you that the last line was written in jest to lighten up the crap this thread turned into. you have to relax before your head explodes.
I never said "dmc" pushes off chairs. hell, plenty skiers screw up on that damn chair every day. all I said was why they banned them in the first place and if the facts are not known, you shouldnt preach. nothing more. I never attacked boarders or anyone for that matter.
I'm actualy with you on this one.
everyone that posts is not against you.
I dont know what went down with you and this board in the past. but dont flip out and think everyone is gunning for you. I sure as hell am not.
I wrote what was released to the public that I thought most people here never read before.
this topic has been around for as long I can remember and it goes in a big circle. its boring.

if anyone wants to ride MRG or alta - buy it and make your own rules.

 

[dmc]

dmc.
lighten up man, I didnt attack you personally.
and that smily face at the end should have told you that the last line was written in jest to lighten up the crap this thread turned into. you have to relax before your head explodes.
I never said "dmc" pushes off chairs. hell, plenty skiers screw up on that damn chair every day. all I said was why they banned them in the first place and if the facts are not known, you shouldnt preach. nothing more. I never attacked boarders or anyone for that matter.
I'm actualy with you on this one.
everyone that posts is not against you.
I dont know what went down with you and this board in the past. but dont flip out and think everyone is gunning for you. I sure as hell am not.
I wrote what was released to the public that I thought most people here never read before.
this topic has been around for as long I can remember and it goes in a big circle. its boring.

if anyone wants to ride MRG or alta - buy it and make your own rules.

I was adressing the generalization... Which we've been over and over and over here...

Was that wrong?? Cause I didn't get the memo...

Smiley face was inturperated as only adressing the bump comment... So i added my .02 about the fact that bad skiers mess up bumps just as bad...

 

[JimG.]

Well, I'm glad we all had a nice relaxing night and are all in a good frame of mind today.

If this topic disturbs anyone, it shouldn't. This is still the central issue being dealt with in the skiing industry on a year by year basis. Skiers may not want to hear this, but snowboarding has saved the skiing industry in the past 20 years and has helped keep more ski areas off the NELSAP list than anything else.

The revolution in ski geometry...all due to the shape of a snowboard. Don't believe me? I was there in 1995 when the Rossi rep came to Hunter to discuss shaped skis. I wish I had a nickel for every time he said that the idea was borrowed from snowboards.

All that other stuff (scraping snow off, getting hit from behind, poor ettiquette, etc.) comes from a$$holes and there are plenty who ski as well as board.

So let's work on educating the a$$holes and let's stop picking on boarders. I've seen several participants get all sensitive over a ski related topic they didn't like. You know who you are and you don't like how it feels. Well, dmc feels that way about this topic and he has the right too. Maybe he gets too emotional and goes over the edge with some replies, but I know dmc and he is passionate about his winter sports, as passionate if not more so than anyone here. Believe me, he's the kind of person you want at your resort and on your ski forum.

How about some empathy here; let's try to see each other's point of view and work with it instead of criticizing and flaming.

I guess this proves we need some snow now so we can make a few turns.