Jay Peak bombshell

[JimG.]

Moderation.

If you don't moderate someone's feelings get hurt and they demand moderation.

When you do moderate people scream their First Amendment rights are being violated.

A total no win for moderators. I've been a moderator for close to 20 years here and I've personally never banned a user. Nothing written here bothers me so much that I need to lash out and cancel anyone. People have a right to act like fools for everyone to see. If someone doesn't like it, that's what the ignore feature is for.

 

[Abubob]

Legend. Because of him, I will forever call them “bankins”.

Didn't he get fired? and probably quietly rehired with the proviso that he never make another video about pushin' back the bankins?

 

[bigbob]

Legend. Because of him, I will forever call them “bankins”.

I heard the guy got fired after posting the video. He was just doing his job...

 

[Keelhauled]

Moderation.

If you don't moderate someone's feelings get hurt and they demand moderation.

When you do moderate people scream their First Amendment rights are being violated.

A total no win for moderators. I've been a moderator for close to 20 years here and I've personally never banned a user. Nothing written here bothers me so much that I need to lash out and cancel anyone. People have a right to act like fools for everyone to see. If someone doesn't like it, that's what the ignore feature is for.

There may be no winning, but there is definitely a way to lose. Generally if people's feelings are getting hurt they don't make a point of sticking around for more, and the community gradually dies out. Which I suppose for a moderator's workload is a self-solving problem, but it is discouraging to see, and I've seen it from both a user and mod point of view. It's hard enough these days for individual message boards to survive and grow in the face of the popularity of Facebook groups; if you have a community that embraces and is allowed to embrace shit flinging instead of reasonable discourse it's basically a death sentence for getting new members at the same time as your existing community eventually schisms.

 

[SteezyRob]

Why do all your FOS posts/ replays reak of shit. Stay up there in your over priced pieces of shit, crap built Toll House Condos. The people who for the most part live there Suck. Yes, as a Child I wanted to live there too. Now you got AH’s who are stuck in shit, trapped by traffic, who say hey, “when it sucks here, I’ll go to Jackson Ass Hole and stink that place up more…” fuck off, self centered asshole. I can’t stand the sight of you in Stowe, on or off the hill. Your posts stink and you F’n suck dick rich Balls arrogant MFer. Stay away from me, forever !!!

 

[thetrailboss]

Back on (the skin) track:

According to VPR, a significant amount of the amount paid by Pacific is going back to the defrauded investors. Pacific assumed about $9 million of debt in addition to the purchase price.

The sale of a Northeast Kingdom ski resort netted just over $67 million, according to recently filed court documents. The sale proceeds will be distributed to investors who were defrauded by the former owner and president of Jay Peak. The resort was run by a court-appointed receiver for six years after federal regulators revealed that the former owner and president of the resort misappropriated more than $200 million from foreign investors. Pacific Group Resorts bought Jay Peak for $76 million - the Utah-based company runs several ski resorts, including Powderhorn Mountain in Colorado and Ragged Mountain in New Hampshire. The profits from the sale were about $9 million less than the purchase price because Pacific Group Resorts assumed some debts and other financial obligations.

 

[thetrailboss]

Maybe this thread will be over once and for all.........

Start of Jay Peak ski season marks end of chapter in EB-5 scandal

Lifts started spinning at Jay Peak on Friday, welcoming skiers and snowboarders. As our Calvin Cutler reports, the beginning of this ski season marks the end of a chapter from the EB-5 scandal.

www.wcax.com

 

[VTKilarney]

So now that the whole saga is over, I have an interesting story.

Some of you may remember that I used to post quite a bit about my suspicions that the EB-5 program at Jay Peak was a scam. It was basically Benedict Gomez and I leading the charge - with most people thinking that we were crackpots. We took quite a bit of heat from many of the people here. I spent quite a bit of time doing research and it seemed incredibly obvious to me that something was wrong. Frankly, it should have been obvious to anyone after reading our posts.

About a year before everything fell apart I got a telephone call at work from Bill Stenger. He invited me to meet with him personally up at Jay Peak. I took him up on his offer and he was nice enough to give me a ski pass to make the trip worthwhile.

The meeting was cordial. It was basically an infomercial to try to convince me that everything was on the level. He clearly did not want me posting on this forum, and the meeting was designed to convince me that I was wrong so the posting would stop. I pretty much just listened, since I knew that he was never going to admit that my suspicions were correct. Needless to say, he didn't change my mind. My overall impression was that there was a level of desperation but Stenger somehow believed that they could keep the house of cards from falling.

I never asked how he figured out my actual identity, but I didn't really care since I stood by my posts and my opinions.

I would love to believe that Stenger was an innocent victim in all of this - but I really don't believe that. Which is too bad, because during our meeting he seemed like a very likeable person and that he could have been a good ambassador for Jay Peak.

 

[crank]

I was with you as soon as the ANC Bio thing was in play. I wasn't really thinking scam though...just thinking there's no effing way that is happening in Newport.

 

[tnt1234]

So now that the whole saga is over, I have an interesting story.

Some of you may remember that I used to post quite a bit about my suspicions that the EB-5 program at Jay Peak was a scam. It was basically Benedict Gomez and I leading the charge - with most people thinking that we were crackpots. We took quite a bit of heat from many of the people here. I spent quite a bit of time doing research and it seemed incredibly obvious to me that something was wrong. Frankly, it should have been obvious to anyone after reading our posts.

About a year before everything fell apart I got a telephone call at work from Bill Stenger. He invited me to meet with him personally up at Jay Peak. I took him up on his offer and he was nice enough to give me a ski pass to make the trip worthwhile.

The meeting was cordial. It was basically an infomercial to try to convince me that everything was on the level. He clearly did not want me posting on this forum, and the meeting was designed to convince me that I was wrong so the posting would stop. I pretty much just listened, since I knew that he was never going to admit that my suspicions were correct. Needless to say, he didn't change my mind. My overall impression was that there was a level of desperation but Stenger somehow believed that they could keep the house of cards from falling.

I never asked how he figured out my actual identity, but I didn't really care since I stood by my posts and my opinions.

I would love to believe that Stenger was an innocent victim in all of this - but I really don't believe that. Which is too bad, because during our meeting he seemed like a very likeable person and that he could have been a good ambassador for Jay Peak.

Wow, that's crazy.

I wonder how they did figure out your identity....

weird to think they were worried about people posting on a ski forum...

Any links to your old posts? I'd be curious to see just how right you were. I don't remember reading them in real time.

 

[thetrailboss]

Writing from behind bars, Ariel Quiros tells judge he is ‘begging’ for a break on 5-year prison term - VTDigger

An attorney for the former Jay Peak owner has filed a motion seeking sentence reconsideration. Quiros, who was sentenced earlier this year for his role in the largest fraud case in the state’s history, also submitted a letter Tuesday, stating, “I pray for mercy, and I pray for grace.”

vtdigger.org

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[thetrailboss]

No soup for you, Q.

Judge denies request from Ariel Quiros, ‘wheeler dealer’ in EB-5 fraud scandal, to shorten his prison sentence - VTDigger

In his letter from behind bars, Jay Peak’s former owner wrote that he was “begging” the judge for mercy, citing, in part, health problems facing him and his wife. He said his cooperation with prosecutors did not receive proper consideration.

vtdigger.org

 

[NYDB]

yeah fuck that scam artist.

 

[jimmywilson69]

I hope he drops the soap every day...

 

[Abubob]

So now that the whole saga is over, I have an interesting story.

Some of you may remember that I used to post quite a bit about my suspicions that the EB-5 program at Jay Peak was a scam. It was basically Benedict Gomez and I leading the charge - with most people thinking that we were crackpots. We took quite a bit of heat from many of the people here. I spent quite a bit of time doing research and it seemed incredibly obvious to me that something was wrong. Frankly, it should have been obvious to anyone after reading our posts.

About a year before everything fell apart I got a telephone call at work from Bill Stenger. He invited me to meet with him personally up at Jay Peak. I took him up on his offer and he was nice enough to give me a ski pass to make the trip worthwhile.

The meeting was cordial. It was basically an infomercial to try to convince me that everything was on the level. He clearly did not want me posting on this forum, and the meeting was designed to convince me that I was wrong so the posting would stop. I pretty much just listened, since I knew that he was never going to admit that my suspicions were correct. Needless to say, he didn't change my mind. My overall impression was that there was a level of desperation but Stenger somehow believed that they could keep the house of cards from falling.

I never asked how he figured out my actual identity, but I didn't really care since I stood by my posts and my opinions.

I would love to believe that Stenger was an innocent victim in all of this - but I really don't believe that. Which is too bad, because during our meeting he seemed like a very likeable person and that he could have been a good ambassador for Jay Peak.

While he’s talking to you …

 

[KustyTheKlown]

bumping the real jay peak thread to share that they are closed Friday and allude to very limited ops Saturday

 

[thetrailboss]

An ‘unknowing pawn?’: From prison, Bill Stenger claims state ‘covered up’ Jay Peak fraud - VTDigger

The former president and CEO of Jay Peak took aim at state officials in a court filing for failed oversight in the largest fraud case in Vermont’s history. Former Gov. Peter Shumlin called it “a classic example” of blame-shifting.

vtdigger.org

 

[Abubob]

An ‘unknowing pawn?’: From prison, Bill Stenger claims state ‘covered up’ Jay Peak fraud - VTDigger

The former president and CEO of Jay Peak took aim at state officials in a court filing for failed oversight in the largest fraud case in Vermont’s history. Former Gov. Peter Shumlin called it “a classic example” of blame-shifting.

vtdigger.org

I don’t doubt government corruption. I also doubt he was an unknowing pawn.

 

[thetrailboss]

Notice how Shummy does not outright deny wrongdoing.

VTDigger has documented how Shumlin and Company KNEW that it was a fraud but made the decision to allow the projects to get done. It was strategic--completed Hotels at Burke and Jay are worth more than uncompleted projects left to rot.

 

[thetrailboss]

I don’t doubt government corruption. I also doubt he was an unknowing pawn.

Yeah I will have to read the affidavit. I think that his quote is being taken out of context. He MUST have known that all was not right. I don't doubt that he was in a bad spot, but he would have figured it out.

There is A LOT of video out there of Shumlin saying exactly what Stenger claims--"these investments are safe because they are audited by the State".