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Jay Peak bombshell
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I was there then and it was that good. odds they were college age out and the explosion of the sport has caught the 17-26 male group and decision Making is sometimes short wired. Jay has definitely promoted early season. Hopefully it stays
Two or three years ago, Burke had to suspend uphill skiing due to a skier who collided with the winch cable of a cat and, fortunately, was not hurt. The cat was operating in an area that was closed to uphill and downhill skiing afterhours. IIRC the person fled the scene making it even more troubling. Despite multiple warnings and near misses, folks just continue to ignore signs and warnings. So I imagine that at Jay the line was the same--someone getting too close to a winch cable. Even being a few feet away is dangerous in the event that the line comes under tension or tension is released resulting in the steel cable bouncing around. Unfortunately, someone is going to get decapitated if this continues.
Other than that, it's pretty clear to me that Jay got sick of having to rescue folks this past weekend (or at least for one bad accident). Over the years the wide majority of folks have been respectful, responsible, followed the rules, and frankly discreet about skiing afterhours. I do recall an incident years ago at Sugarbush where someone skinned over snowmaking hoses and right in the middle of snowmaking operations. But, like other mountain recreation, we have too many people jumping into the sport with no sense of how to do it safely let alone proper etiquette. Whereas people in the past got some basic outdoor skills and knowledge from Scouts and even school (or school trips), nowadays folks just don't do these things and just assume that wearing a new Arc'Teryx jacket and having expensive gear makes up for the lack of knowledge.
kbroderick
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The complaints about breaking into buildings isn't necessarily new, either--when I worked at a Vermont ski area, lift shacks generally got locked, but patrol shacks didn't. Even over the summer, we'd clear anything that we thought might get damaged or stolen out of the shacks and leave them unlocked. Apparently people would use them either way, and if they were unlocked, they did a lot less damage getting in and tended to act less pissed off once they did. It boggled my mind that people felt like it was appropriate to let themselves in and leave behind their empties.
And that was 18 years ago now.
And that was 18 years ago now.
Rob Katz
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upon further consideration, fuck jay. clowning on that kid for doing a backflip is absolutely fucking insane and unprofessional. when there are crimes being committed, that's what they're upset about? and they're just mocking him? holy shit.
plus, conditions don't really have an effect on the safety of a backflip, and the rotation is probably still fresh in his mind from summer. this is the best time to try it.
plus, conditions don't really have an effect on the safety of a backflip, and the rotation is probably still fresh in his mind from summer. this is the best time to try it.
Smellytele
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It’s about the rescue when there is no ski patrol there fuck head - fuck you
Rob Katz
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wait actually? for real?? i had no idea why they might be upset with him! you should be the president or something, you're really smart!! any more profound observations to share with us?
Rob Katz
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okay wait why is smellytele actually the next albert einstein 
In NH we charge for rescues IF it involves add'l resources.
$4-5,000 is average for a crew of 4-5 volunteers.
Stupidity is not an excuse anymore.
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I agree that its a waste of rescue resources but isnt someone hurting themselves in a ski resort easier to deal with than if they were deep in the back country trying to huck back flips.
Cant you get the hike safe card to negate that?
From the NH Hike Safe website -- "It is important to note that people may still be liable for response expenses, if they are deemed to be reckless or to have intentionally created a situation requiring an emergency response."
Like I said - Your stupidity is not an excuse....
Thats great, people should have to use their brain cells to recreate responsibility
BodeMiller1
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I personally know 5 or 6 people that will never walk again from breaking their "neck". In New Hampshire it is against the law to "flip". I see it all the time Meow.
Have you ever seen a crash you don't try to help?
The kids a still lit up and immortal.
All the more snow for the Honorable Humpty Dumpty and I.
Maybe I am misreading things, but assuiming that the comments are serious, I can completely see Jay's POV. There was no ski patrol on-site. Hell, there may not have been any first aid folks at all at the resort. The only thing I could see is there being lifeguards at the Waterpark (if it was open). So there was a serious injury that occurred on their property and it required an urgent emergency response. Sounds like the person may have built a jump, but regardless, it is pretty effed-up to have a critically injured person onsite and out of normal business hours and then have to scramble to find people to assist. That's not reasonable for Jay IMHO. I read their comments as pure frustration and, consistent with Steve Wright, are made in a frank and honest way. Do they care about the person as a human being? Obviously they do as any of us would. But it is not fair to Jay to have somone come onsite when there are no services, get seriously effed up due to their own actions, and possibly be in the position of, "gee, where was the ski patrol?"
This. Including assuming the risk of injury and being prepared to self-rescue or understand that help is a long ways off.
For all intents and purposes, being injured in a closed ski area is essentially the same as the backcountry. Access, theoretically, is easier, but the person is still a long ways away from a road.
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Rob Katz
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totally reasonable of jay peak to be upset with the kid. i don't know why they wouldn't stress the impact it has on rescue services (as well as the increased danger of there not being ski services for people) rather than shit on the kid for trying a backflip. because instead of making a statement about safety that could apply to everyone skiing on the mountain (doing a backflip is only a little, if at all, more dangerous than skiing on the ridge), they specifically singled out this kid in a way that, at a surface level, just mocks him and doesn't actually say anything constructive. "he'll have the whole season to think it through" is not frank or honest, it's completely shitty. and plus, it's not like if ski patrol had been there he'd be any better off. they're framing it as if he got hurt because it's early season, or that the time of season affects backflip success rates, when it has nothing to do with that!!
slatham
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A bit behind the news here, but reading the Jay statement of what has actually happened, I would fully understanding them putting a gate at the access road and turning away all but employees. It’s obvious that the early season earn your turns crew - a historically seasoned, talented and SMART group throughout Vermont/New England - has been infiltrated by a less experienced and outright stupid cohort. And sorry to make generalizations, but likely in it more for the Insta post than the zen of well earned waist deep pow pow. Perhaps Jay should have a qualifying school this winter for an off season (or maybe even during season too?) uphill pass. No cost, other than some skills, and more importantly, a brain cell or two.
Edd
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I think Jay’s comments are using kid gloves and not shitty. People gotta learn, sometimes the hard way if they choose it.
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