Jay Peak Conceptual Development Plan (2011-2016)

[riverc0il]

There is absolutely no space Tramside. They don't have enough space for what is already over there. They had to build a top deck garage just to get all the cars in there and then they still overflow to the expanded stateside lot on their busiest days. There is literally no where to put anything else Tramside, totally built out and they had to squeeze to get it all in there and still have parking.

Lodging Stateside works as long as they have food in the lodge. Some people may prefer a more laid back experience. The learning center is over there, too, so that is quick access for those with little kids. But the kids may like the waterpark. They'll need a shuttle for that, quick trip via shuttle to Tramside. Fact is, if they are selling out of lodging, then they could use more beds and they ain't going to fit more in Tramside.

 

[Sick Bird Rider]

I question the logic all together of having hotel lodging over on Stateside. Wouldn't it make more sense to concentrate all the lodging at Tramside? I would think the restaurants/bars/waterpark/hockey rink would see maximum usage by concentrating all of the lodging guests within walking distance of those facilities. Maybe they lack space over there for more.

If I did not have other options, I would definitely prefer staying at Stateside than Tramside -as long as I could have a cup of coffee and a quick bite to eat before heading out to ski. If they price it right and provide basic amenities like coffee makers and microwaves in the rooms, Stateside lodging will appeal to the "serious skiers" and lower budget families.

 

[Steve@jpr]

Gomez is right--adr in this hotel will be lower than THL or Hotel Jay-not necessarily because of geography but the index of groups/teams that will likely be staying there across many periods. Ppricing will be quite a bit lower than what you'd expect a new ski-in/out property would be. Plan is for a small resto in the Hotel and typical base lodge cafeteria abutting. No kitchens/kitchenettes in rooms.

If I did not have other options, I would definitely prefer staying at Stateside than Tramside -as long as I could have a cup of coffee and a quick bite to eat before heading out to ski. If they price it right and provide basic amenities like coffee makers and microwaves in the rooms, Stateside lodging will appeal to the "serious skiers" and lower budget families.

 

[Sick Bird Rider]

Gomez is right--adr in this hotel will be lower than THL or Hotel Jay-not necessarily because of geography but the index of groups/teams that will likely be staying there across many periods. Ppricing will be quite a bit lower than what you'd expect a new ski-in/out property would be. Plan is for a small resto in the Hotel and typical base lodge cafeteria abutting. No kitchens/kitchenettes in rooms.

OK, now that you are dishing, will there be anything resembling a bar or lounge area? You know, comfy chairs with a view of the hill?

 

[from_the_NEK]

Where does JPSP go since it appears their building is gone?

OK, now that you are dishing, will there be anything resembling a bar or lounge area? You know, comfy chairs with a view of the hill?

Floor plans here:

1st floor. Ski patrol on the on the Jet facing end of the building (the bridge is only 150 feet away from this end of the hotel), seasonal lockers, retail space.
http://www.anr.state.vt.us/imaging/planning/7R0854-12-2/plans/Exhibit%20P16%20-%20Floor%201%20A1-01.pdf

2nd floor: 134 seat restaurant, 272 seat/456 locker "scramble" (cafeteria/day lodge). Bathrooms.
http://www.anr.state.vt.us/imaging/planning/7R0854-12-2/plans/Exhibit P17 - Floor 2 A1-02.pdf

3rd floor (the level at the top of the stairs): 134 seat bar/lounge. 584 15" lockers. More bathrooms. Rental shop.
http://www.anr.state.vt.us/imaging/planning/7R0854-12-2/plans/Exhibit P18 - Floor 3 A1-03.pdf


4th floor only covers the hotel side. It looks like the ceiling of the bar/lounge is going to be high.
http://www.anr.state.vt.us/imaging/planning/7R0854-12-2/plans/Exhibit P19 - Floor 4 A1-04.pdf

 

[BenedictGomez]

OK, now that you are dishing, will there be anything resembling a bar or lounge area? You know, comfy chairs with a view of the hill?

How could there not be. Alcohol is one of the highest margin things you can sell, and how could you have a ski lodge/hotel without a cool bar/lounge to hang out in. The (ski) natives would riot with lanterns and pitchforks!

 

[from_the_NEK]

To be fair, there isn't a bar in the current Stateside lodge. But you can buy beer there.

 

[ScottySkis]

How could there not be. Alcohol is one of the highest margin things you can sell, and how could you have a ski lodge/hotel without a cool bar/lounge to hang out in. The (ski) natives would riot with lanterns and pitchforks!

That why I buy from a liquor store and bring it to the bar, so much cheaper that way.:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

 

[riverc0il]

Wow, look at all that retail space, damn!

SBR... would the Ski Club room constitute the new Raven Room?

Patrol has GOT to be loving this!

That is an unreal amount of lockers.

Wish there was more day visitor space. The chalet has always been too crowded. Maybe I am not visualizing it correctly, but it doesn't look like a lot of space in the cafeteria. 272 seats, it says. I'd estimate that is less than the current chalet counting downstairs and upstairs (especially if you could wall seating around the parameter). But 182 seats in the bar. And I assume the Ski Club room will have seats. Perhaps a slight increase in capacity when you factor everything in but I bet the cafe is still going to be a mob scene on weekends. Very sad as a day tripper to see that.

 

[Cannonball]

Very cool intel.

So, bottom line: once this is done and Jay is irrevocably ruined, what will be the mtn that takes its place as the most awesome place to be?

 

[deadheadskier]

Very cool intel.

So, bottom line: once this is done and Jay is irrevocably ruined, what will be the mtn that takes its place as the most awesome place to be?

Burke!

Until those bastards ruin it too!

:lol:

 

[BenedictGomez]

Very cool intel.

So, bottom line: once this is done and Jay is irrevocably ruined, what will be the mtn that takes its place as the most awesome place to be?

Burke!

Until those bastards ruin it too!

:lol:

Smuggler's Notch

Until the largely artificial inorganic growth spurred by EB-5 dollars allows them to buy Smuggs too. I'll give it 8 to 10 years. By which time, the unintended negative consequences that always occurs when monkeying with economic markets will become complete.

Oh well, live for today. Jay's still currently a great place.

 

[deadheadskier]

maybe, but remember, Smuggs had Water Slides long before any other old school VT area thought it was cool. :lol:

 

[Sick Bird Rider]

Wow, look at all that retail space, damn!

SBR... would the Ski Club room constitute the new Raven Room?

Patrol has GOT to be loving this!

That is an unreal amount of lockers.

Wish there was more day visitor space. The chalet has always been too crowded. Maybe I am not visualizing it correctly, but it doesn't look like a lot of space in the cafeteria. 272 seats, it says. I'd estimate that is less than the current chalet counting downstairs and upstairs (especially if you could wall seating around the parameter). But 182 seats in the bar. And I assume the Ski Club room will have seats. Perhaps a slight increase in capacity when you factor everything in but I bet the cafe is still going to be a mob scene on weekends. Very sad as a day tripper to see that.

Ski Club = Racers. A room not likely not open to the hoi polloi but you can't begrudge the race program their space. The great thing about the Raven Room (despite the smell) is that you could set up a base camp, hang out by the lockers, eat your lunch, boot up, whatever. The new locker space looks like a place to get your stuff and move along. No windows, no tables, just benches and lockers. I wonder who the "Adult Inst. Lkr" space between the "Unprogrammed Space" and "dry storage" is for? Maybe staff or ski patrol lockers.

One can only hope all those blocks along the wall of the cafeteria are awesome cubbies for day users. I just noticed the lockers on the second level - presumably htose are for day users but are a long way from where you put your boots on.

FTNEK - great work in tracking this down and posting!

 

[JPTracker]

That is an unreal amount of lockers.

The lockers on the second floor are most likely for the hotel guests and not for public use. I know the THL has a room of lockers, one for each room in the hotel.

 

[from_the_NEK]

The bathrooms on the 3rd floor are kind of in a weird spot. You have to go through the bar to get to them. The third floor bathroom has 3 urinals and 2 toilets. Maybe they are figuring most people coming inside to a potty break are going to use the easier to get to (from the door) 2nd floor bathroom instead.
However, that 2nd floor Men's room only has three total flushable units (1 urinal, 2 toilets). On the plan it looks like there is a space for another urinal but it is empty. 4 toilets in the Women's side. IMHO if that lunch room is at capacity with 272 people in there, that may lead to some lines during busy periods. With all the complaining about the bathrooms in the old Stateside lodge. I would think a little more effort to make an easy to get to highly functional bathroom would be a high priority .

 

[from_the_NEK]

The lockers on the second floor are most likely for the hotel guests and not for public use. I know the THL has a room of lockers, one for each room in the hotel.

I think the room marked 228 may be the hotel guest lockers.

 

[ScottySkis]

The bathrooms on the 3rd floor are kind of in a weird spot. You have to go through the bar to get to them. The third floor bathroom has 3 urinals and 2 toilets. Maybe they are figuring most people coming inside to a potty break are going to use the easier to get to (from the door) 2nd floor bathroom instead.
However, that 2nd floor Men's room only has three total flushable units (1 urinal, 2 toilets). On the plan it looks like there is a space for another urinal but it is empty. 4 toilets in the Women's side. IMHO if that lunch room is at capacity with 272 people in there, that may lead to some lines during busy periods. With all the complaining about the bathrooms in the old Stateside lodge. I would think a little more effort to make an easy to get to highly functional bathroom would be a high priority .

How do you know how many toilets are in the womens bathroom? Experience in their lol.

 

[from_the_NEK]

The building hasn't been built yet. It is on the floor plan.
And as bad as the mens room smells in the old Stateside lodge, I wouldn't want to bother checking out the womens room. It may smell worse :-o

 

[Sick Bird Rider]

It will be easy to identify a Stateside regular in December 2013: they be the ones wandering around looking really lost and confused. I am sure the new lodge will be nice but I am not looking forward to the first few visits. After a lifetime of skiing at Jay, I have a certain routine, as I am every other Jay regular does. You put your skis on the same rack, go in the same door, sit at the same table, chat with pretty much the same people, hang your bag on the same hook, and so on. It is very comforting. Now, there will be new territory to stake out, new patterns to learn, and a whole new way of living at Jay. We'll figure it out but these dogs aren't good at new tricks.